Evil things Christianity supports

[ThomM]

my circles are a straight line. now answer me this were is the evidence for your god do not refer to the bible as it is not a valid source. can i see experience and or talk to god and it not being my subconscious.

Play your little games if that's what makes you happy. Why isn't the Bible a valid source, because you and other nonbelievers say so, that's just plain ignorant. You can't prove it's not valid.
Now I'll ask again in case you missed it, are you going to accept my challenge or run in your ever tightening circle. Can't you say I just don't have the knowledge for the challenge and I spew words others say that I don't know what they are about.

GC

No - the bible is not a Valid source because it has NO proving basis in reality - and it therefore is the same as the scripture of ALL other religions on earth - and we reject YOURS for the same reasons you do not accept the scripture of others.

We did not miss your challenge - we reject it as being of NO use
Since WE do not accept the bible or ANY other scripture of any other religion as being true -= listening to YOU spin the bible has no validity with us - That you are a deluded follower of that fiction is hilarious with us -
but what you say cannot be supported by YOU - with references in the world that do not include the bible. If it were true - there would be thousands of real references to what you claim - but in reality - there is not a single mention of the christ in ANY document that can be dated to his supposed time - NONE at ALL - and if the christ were a GOD - it would have had no problem providing them - and it would have known that it would be requested as well.

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You going to give me an answer about the challenge or are you going to keep running in a circle, that circle is getting small, you better be careful or you'll run up your own butt.
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Yes - we gave YOU an answer - we do not accept the bible as proof of anything other than religion is fictional stories - and that the bible DOES contain fictional stories is NOT in question. Once you realize that the bible does contain things in it that are NOT TRUE - it no longer can be presented as self proving - if must have OUTSIDE support for the passages claimed to be true.

So - If you cannot prove your side using OTHER PROVABLE documents - YOU have no answer

[Losty]

You guys are liars, bring your proof modern day Christianity promotes this crap, I can prove the Godless today support slavery and the terrible treatment of women. So if you want this let's get to it.

GC

GC do us all a favor and just stick your fingers in your ears and shout "nananananananana I can't hear you!!!"

[YouCanCallMeDave]

1. Racism
2. wife beating
3. killing of sons and or daughters for being disrespectful. - happens modern day from popular books like to train up a child
4. slaver
4.1 justification because the bible said it was okay
4.2 treatment of humans of a different skin color and being called sub human
4.3 treatment of human beings like work cattle
4.4 justified killing of slaves who wanted to be free
5. holy wars <- enough said
6. violation of human rights <- there is plenty of websites and videos out there.
7. indoctrination - you cant make everyone believe but you try hard enough.
8. bullying making bullying even worse or attempting to thanks republicans.
9. justification of killing of anyone or any groups of people
you can add on to the list down below

Im afraid ALL Of these comments are baseless , misconceptions, ignorance of the Christian Faith , and ultimately .... total untruths. Id like to suggest you spend some time on this site which will clear up your hostile comments, if you are at all interested in patterning your posts after truths : http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics...myths.html

Secondly, the biggest misconception a Bible Critic makes is that just because the Bible mentions something like, rape, slavery, murder, etc...that The Bible therefore endorses and promotes it ; the Bible does not. In fact, it routinely speaks of punishment for heinous acts / equality for slaves that was common culture / fairness for women / and coming alongside a Person who is going down the wrong road in life. Contrast that to todays Humanist philosophy of Tolerance to any and every immoral, perverted Lifestyle under the mantra of 'I could care less what you do' .

Thirdly, youre ignorance of Gods character and nature are grossly wrong. God is the standard for all purity, morality, ethics on an objective basis ; without that, you are left with the destructive philosophy of Secular Humanism that feeds on every behavior being permissible including dangerous people-harming Lifestyles that plague society today. No objective moral laws gives a license to People acting anyway they feel like which HAS sent America into a spiraling vortex of utter filth for the grooming of its youth .

Fourth, when you consider the fallout of Humanism philosophy concerning moral relativism played out, youd be a total Fool to want that for your society . You may want to have that freedom , but you as heck would vehemently object to someone thrusting moral relativism on yourself in the form of immorality that ANother may think is completely permissible. Therefore , its hypocrisy .

Fifth, it is the Christian Faith that is literarlly holding this anti-God culture together by the seams. Take away all semblance of correct living, concern for ones fellow man , and objective right from wrong ...and you will get more n more anarchy . An environment that will destroy your happiness and fulfillment in life and add to your unsafety.

Finally, Any atrocity done in the NAME of God isn't necessarily OF God. If you want to attack the Christian Fiath , then attack its ideaology/ constructs/teachings from Jesus and the 10 Commandments and show how these are deplorable for a civil society. Please...attempt to do so in your next reply . Thanks.

Lastly, The very affirmations of Secular Humanism's Manifestos 1 and 2 are precisely linked to the social ills we face today as a nation concerning LIfestyle immorality which IS and HAS led to many millions of premature deaths thru the current STD epidemic as well as the slaughtering of 4,000 unborn developing Human Beings per day in the Humanist 'freedom' of Sexual Hedonism gone further wrong.

Concluding, The very ideology and tenets of atheism DID lead to the heinous termination of well over 120,000,000 human lifes in the last century alone by 3 well known Atheist tyrant Leaders (Stalin, Hitler, and Musilini) . This occurred due to the precise tenets of Atheism (survival of the fittest race / making for a better race) as well as in the name of Atheism .

If you have any concern for humankind at all, you should never be a professed Atheist for that is the biggest insult to Mankind, Yourself as a valueable Human Being with intrinsic dignity and worth , and our Creator who gave you intrinsic dignity and infinite worth ... instead of the charade that you ultimately arrived from a piece of graduated Pond Scum from dead chemicals without a shred of purpose/meaning/and dignity .

[abaris]

Concluding, The very ideology and tenets of atheism DID lead to the heinous termination of well over 120,000,000 human lifes in the last century alone by 3 well known Atheist tyrant Leaders (Stalin, Hitler, and Musilini) . This occurred due to the precise tenets of Atheism (survival of the fittest race / making for a better race) as well as in the name of Atheism .

I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator. - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 2

Even today I am not ashamed to say that, overpowered by stormy enthusiasm, I fell down on my knees and thanked Heaven from an overflowing heart for granting me the good fortune of being permitted to live at this time. - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 5

What we have to fight for is the necessary security for the existence and increase of our race and people, the subsistence of its children and the maintenance of our racial stock unmixed, the freedom and independence of the Fatherland; so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission assigned to it by the Creator. - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 8

Anyone who dares to lay hands on the highest image of the Lord commits sacrilege against the benevolent creator of this miracle and contributes to the expulsion from paradise. - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 1

There are many more. So it's always good to look things up before letting the ass do the talking.

November 16, 1922, after the Fascist revolution, I concluded by invoking the assistance of God in my difficult task. Benito Mussolini

I trust you can look up the Lateran treaty between Mussolini and the holy see yourself.

Stalin may have been an atheist although he attended a religious school with intent to become a minister. But the jury is still out on that. He wrote poems about the divine.

[YouCanCallMeDave]

Concluding, The very ideology and tenets of atheism DID lead to the heinous termination of well over 120,000,000 human lifes in the last century alone by 3 well known Atheist tyrant Leaders (Stalin, Hitler, and Musilini) . This occurred due to the precise tenets of Atheism (survival of the fittest race / making for a better race) as well as in the name of Atheism .

I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator. - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 2

Even today I am not ashamed to say that, overpowered by stormy enthusiasm, I fell down on my knees and thanked Heaven from an overflowing heart for granting me the good fortune of being permitted to live at this time. - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 5

What we have to fight for is the necessary security for the existence and increase of our race and people, the subsistence of its children and the maintenance of our racial stock unmixed, the freedom and independence of the Fatherland; so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission assigned to it by the Creator. - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 8

Anyone who dares to lay hands on the highest image of the Lord commits sacrilege against the benevolent creator of this miracle and contributes to the expulsion from paradise. - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 1

There are many more. So it's always good to look things up before letting the ass do the talking.

November 16, 1922, after the Fascist revolution, I concluded by invoking the assistance of God in my difficult task. Benito Mussolini

I trust you can look up the Lateran treaty between Mussolini and the holy see yourself.

Stalin may have been an atheist although he attended a religious school with intent to become a minister. But the jury is still out on that. He wrote poems about the divine.

Now, you must be very desperate to post such quotes from an obvious Sociopath such as Hitler. Don't you know that ANYONE can say ANYTHING about themselves or about God....yet they become all nullified by the actions of the Person proving whats truly in their heart ?

If you want to know what a person is REALLY made of, examine his/her life, actions, behavior, talk, motives, and lifestyle choices ; concerning Hitler in this regard......he was a full fledged Atheist that played a charade game of giving God some lip service while at the same time preparing Ovens for mass murdering of People made in Gods image.

[Godscreated]

@ ThomM, Can't dyresand speak for himself, the challenge was made to him not you or we, unless he's your sock then I can see 'we'. If he is your sock then get to the challenge or shut up your babbling.

GC

[coldwx]

Now, you must be very desperate to post such quotes from an obvious Sociopath such as Hitler. Don't you know that ANYONE can say ANYTHING about themselves or about God....yet they become all nullified by the actions of the Person proving whats truly in their heart ?

If you want to know what a person is REALLY made of, examine his/her life, actions, behavior, talk, motives, and lifestyle choices ; concerning Hitler in this regard......he was a full fledged Atheist that played a charade game of giving God some lip service while at the same time preparing Ovens for mass murdering of People made in Gods image.

How about introducing yourself to us in the intro forum?

Ah yes, the old no true scotsman fallacy. So this whole Hitler thing is just a red herring then. Unless you are saying that when a Christian commits a heinous act they don't do so because they are a Christian but when an Atheist does it is because they are an Atheist? That is the definition of a double standard.

Are you asserting that an Atheist cannot be moral? If you examine an atheist's life and find the same qualities you find in a Christian, minus the belief in God, what then?

[Godscreated]

You guys are liars, bring your proof modern day Christianity promotes this crap, I can prove the Godless today support slavery and the terrible treatment of women. So if you want this let's get to it.

GC

GC do us all a favor and just stick your fingers in your ears and shout "nananananananana I can't hear you!!!"

That works for you, but it's not bag of tea.

GC

[YouCanCallMeDave]

Now, you must be very desperate to post such quotes from an obvious Sociopath such as Hitler. Don't you know that ANYONE can say ANYTHING about themselves or about God....yet they become all nullified by the actions of the Person proving whats truly in their heart ?

If you want to know what a person is REALLY made of, examine his/her life, actions, behavior, talk, motives, and lifestyle choices ; concerning Hitler in this regard......he was a full fledged Atheist that played a charade game of giving God some lip service while at the same time preparing Ovens for mass murdering of People made in Gods image.

How about introducing yourself to us in the intro forum?

Ah yes, the old no true scotsman fallacy. So this whole Hitler thing is just a red herring then. Unless you are saying that when a Christian commits a heinous act they don't do so because they are a Christian but when an Atheist does it is because they are an Atheist? That is the definition of a double standard.

Are you asserting that an Atheist cannot be moral? If you examine an atheist's life and find the same qualities you find in a Christian, minus the belief in God, what then?

In order--------

1. Like my addy says, my name is Dave. How de do .

2. Its not a fallacy. Yes, Hitlers quotations that inferred he was a Christian is about as laughable as it comes. The TRUE person is found in the kind of fruit that he/she produces ; Hitler may have alluded to God, but his fruit showed that he desired GodLESS outcomes, philosophies, motives, and goals. Its still true today, for, many people claim they are Christians, yet they haven't separated themselves from the World and a culture of immorality . They fool themselves, but God isn't fooled cause he knows the heart. REAL Christians have surrendered themselves to the authority and control of God in their lives ; since professed Atheists have not then they are still under rule of themselves which invite all kinds of GodLESS living yet with some examples of occasional morality and ethics because they do have the capacity having a God infused moral conscience .

3. Independent scientific studies (unbiased in nature) have shown that moral principles, ethics, etc... lack in professed Atheists and it should come as no surprise since they choose to pattern their life after moral relativism , maximized liberty concerning lifestyle choices, and a disdain for surrendering Oneself to the control of God which could bring about fruits of righteousness ongoingly and in many various venues as a result of desiring to want to serve God instead of Self. ALso,. the way that others perceive Atheists based on actual personal experiences show a drastic lack of trust with this particular people group.

I hope that clarified things. Thanks for asking.

[coldwx]

In order--------

1. Like my addy says, my name is Dave. How de do .

Usually persons who neglect to give us some basic info are just trolls. I will withhold judgement though.

2. Its not a fallacy. Yes, Hitlers quotations that inferred he was a Christian is about as laughable as it comes. The TRUE person is found in the kind of fruit that he/she produces ; Hitler may have alluded to God, but his fruit showed that he desired GodLESS outcomes, philosophies, motives, and goals. Its still true today, for, many people claim they are Christians, yet they haven't separated themselves from the World and a culture of immorality . They fool themselves, but God isn't fooled cause he knows the heart. REAL Christians have surrendered themselves to the authority and control of God in their lives ; since professed Atheists have not then they are still under rule of themselves which invite all kinds of GodLESS living yet with some examples occasionally of morality and ethics .

So No True Scotsman fallacy and a double standard, thanks for confirming it for me.

3. Independent scientific studies (unbiased in nature) have shown that moral principles, ethics, etc... lack in professed Atheists and it should come as no surprise since they choose to pattern their life after moral relativism , maximized liberty concerning lifestyle choices, and a disdain for surrendering Oneself to the control of God which could bring about fruits of righteousness ongoingly and in many various venues as a result of desiring to want to serve God instead of Self.

Sources please or shut the fuck up. You are now committing a strawman fallacy. Atheism has nothing to do with my morals. It is simply a rejection of your assertion that god exists. And you did not answer my question. Can an atheist be a moral person? If they have the same qualities as a theist minus God then are they moral?