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What is science?
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RE: What is science?
(December 19, 2014 at 12:40 pm)Alex K Wrote: It is true that skepticism towards specific claims can be exaggerated out of prejudice. In the end though, I wonder - if they had had low enough standards back then to immediately accept Wegeners idea (of course, not knowing like we do in hindsight that Wegener was right), how many other false ideas would have crept in and muddied the science completely? Maybe Wegener was an unfortunate victim of a necessary precaution. Of course, maybe it was simply sociology and politics which hindered the deserved acceptance - lard knows I've seen how the scientific communities are prone to all kinds of human weaknesses such as following trends or being jealous of new ideas or overly conservative at times.

Indeed. And when you consider Popper's hypothesis about the acceptance of scientific claims -- that the old guard often dismisses claims and marshals countervailing evidence in order to protect the theory they grew up learning, and that theories often don't find acceptance until that old guard dies off, you can see the skepticism can be both a brake and an engine.

No human endeavor is perfect, and that includes the scientific method. That doesn't change the fact that it is by far the most accurate method of interrogating the Universe. But there's a happy medium with skepticism that, violated, leads to blindness.

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RE: What is science?
(December 19, 2014 at 5:27 am)robvalue Wrote: I have noticed that the word "science" is nearly as misunderstood as "atheist". And some people even think they mean the same thing, or that to accept one you must also accept the other.
I think it's context-dependent. A person may use the word to denote the scientific method, or to refer to the disciplines of science (physics, biology, etc) in general, or to refer to things like technology (which are usually made possible by the previous two). Some theists pretend that "science" is just a stand-in for god- a way for an atheist to try to "fill that Jesus-shaped hole in his heart." I see it as an attempt to create a false equivalence; note the recent posts insisting that atheists are just as faith-driven as theists, but that they put their faith in science instead of god.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould
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RE: What is science?
Science is a monumental improvement over religious bullshit.
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RE: What is science?
Thanks for your contributions everyone Smile Of course this was only a very bare-bones look at science, aimed at people who seem to utterly misunderstand it.

I've heard things like, "Science doesn't want to prove that..." and such nonsense. This is translated into reality as, "The scientific community as a whole are refusing to test and prove the clearly demonstrable fact that..."

No. Science deals with what is true and what is real. And it works. I hope my little discussion has helped adjust the opinion of a few people at least Smile

Feel free to discuss the scientific method in more detail of course! I didn't want the opening post to be too long, in case it put people off.
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