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Protiens assembling themselves
January 2, 2015 at 10:45 pm
Another win for abiogenesis.
Quote:Open any introductory biology textbook and one of the first things you'll learn is that our DNA spells out the instructions for making proteins, tiny machines that do much of the work in our body's cells. Results from a study published on Jan. 2 in Science defy textbook science, showing for the first time that the building blocks of a protein, called amino acids, can be assembled without blueprints - DNA and an intermediate template called messenger RNA (mRNA)
Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2015-01-defying-tex...s.html#jCp
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RE: Protiens assembling themselves
January 3, 2015 at 5:50 am
Wait for the "God did that" sticker to be put on it.
I'm sure this is all easily interpreted from the bible.
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RE: Protiens assembling themselves
January 3, 2015 at 6:58 am
(January 2, 2015 at 10:45 pm)Surgenator Wrote: Another win for abiogenesis.
Quote:Open any introductory biology textbook and one of the first things you'll learn is that our DNA spells out the instructions for making proteins, tiny machines that do much of the work in our body's cells. Results from a study published on Jan. 2 in Science defy textbook science, showing for the first time that the building blocks of a protein, called amino acids, can be assembled without blueprints - DNA and an intermediate template called messenger RNA (mRNA)
Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2015-01-defying-tex...s.html#jCp
Urey-Millier demonstrated the formation of amnio acids without proteins long before this paper.
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RE: Protiens assembling themselves
January 3, 2015 at 1:26 pm
(January 3, 2015 at 6:58 am)Heywood Wrote: (January 2, 2015 at 10:45 pm)Surgenator Wrote: Another win for abiogenesis.
Urey-Millier demonstrated the formation of amnio acids without proteins long before this paper.
This paper demonstates that amino acids can assemble into more complicated proteins without the help of RNA or DNA. Then complex proteins could and would of existed long before RNA or DNA came to the scene.
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RE: Protiens assembling themselves
January 3, 2015 at 2:21 pm
Creatards have a(nother) problem, increases in knowledge of the details of amino acids, genes, etc, requires them to evolve their arguments, since God did not see the need to enlighten them with foreknowledge of these developments, and let them work out the proper arguments in the first place.
Sucks, don't it ???
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RE: Protiens assembling themselves
January 3, 2015 at 3:51 pm
(January 2, 2015 at 10:45 pm)Surgenator Wrote: Another win for abiogenesis.
Quote:Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2015-01-defying-tex...s.html#jCp
How is this a win for abiogenesis?
Rqc2 steps in and provides (function unknown but probably bad) amino acid sequencing data for previously operational ribosomes (proteins in themselves). It looks more like an accidental add-on to a functioning protein synthesis path rather than some possible protein to life bootstrap.
Sure proteins can react with proteins and may have during abiogenesis, but this looks way too complicated to hint at a first step to me.
Heywood, you have access to magic, right? Could you ask your way up the divine command chain and get a clarification for this? Rqc2: how God turned dirt into life or just some accident at the end of the protein synthesis assembly line. No partial credit unless you show your work.
So how, exactly, does God know that She's NOT a brain in a vat? 
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RE: Protiens assembling themselves
January 3, 2015 at 4:07 pm
Quote:Creatards have a(nother) problem, increases in knowledge
Increasing knowledge never happens to creatards.
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RE: Protiens assembling themselves
January 3, 2015 at 4:10 pm
(January 3, 2015 at 3:51 pm)JuliaL Wrote: (January 2, 2015 at 10:45 pm)Surgenator Wrote: Another win for abiogenesis.
How is this a win for abiogenesis?
Rqc2 steps in and provides (function unknown but probably bad) amino acid sequencing data for previously operational ribosomes (proteins in themselves). It looks more like an accidental add-on to a functioning protein synthesis path rather than some possible protein to life bootstrap.
Sure proteins can react with proteins and may have during abiogenesis, but this looks way too complicated to hint at a first step to me.
I agree that this is still too early as a proof that complex protein synstesis self develops. This does demonstrate a mechanicism that complex protein might of developed if no RNA or DNA were present.
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RE: Protiens assembling themselves
January 3, 2015 at 4:58 pm
(January 3, 2015 at 4:10 pm)Surgenator Wrote:
I agree that this is still too early as a proof that complex protein synstesis self develops. This does demonstrate a mechanicism that complex protein might of developed if no RNA or DNA were present. Agreed, evidence accumulates and
certainty rarely learns.
So how, exactly, does God know that She's NOT a brain in a vat?
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