My predicition

[robvalue]

Any evidence at all would be a start. Atheism does not deny god's existence.

Still not even had a definition of what the hell a God is meant to be. I could have passed 3 on the street and not known.

[Davka]

If aliens came to this planet for the first time proclaiming Allah is God and Mohammed is his prophet, I would suggest you start going to Mosque. My "threat" has nothing to do with Christian mindset. It has to do with a position that if aliens independently practiced a religion earthlings also practice, that would suggest to me that such a religion is divinely inspired. It is much more likely that Allah is God and Mohammed is his prophet than for the exact same religion to emerge on another planet as a matter of happenstance.

This is just my opinion of course.

The more parsimonious explanation would be that those aliens had been here 1400 years ago and started Islam.

They did WHAT!?! Those fuckers!

Ted Cruz is right: we need to build a wall around the planet to keep the goddam aliens out.

[Aractus]

Very few scientists agree with Levin on this. Later tests and data make his conclusions doubtful.

Claiming that life has already been found on Mars is not supportable.

Incorrect, there have not been any later tests.

[jesus_wept]

Tbh this was a rhetorical question really and I was just hoping to point out the arrogance of Christianity, not only are Christians big headed enough to think the entire universe was made for them but they think god actually came to this insignificant speck of dust to "save" them. And I think your threat, telling me I should go to church if they do believe in Jesus, shows the petty Christian mindset for all it is.

If aliens came to this planet for the first time proclaiming Allah is God and Mohammed is his prophet, I would suggest you start going to Mosque. My "threat" has nothing to do with Christian mindset. It has to do with a position that if aliens independently practiced a religion earthlings also practice, that would suggest to me that such a religion is divinely inspired. It is much more likely that Allah is God and Mohammed is his prophet than for the exact same religion to emerge on another planet as a matter of happenstance.

This is just my opinion of course.

I didn't say "aliens came to this planet for the first time", so I'd appreciate it if you didn't put words into my mouth so you can tell me I'm wrong.

Other than that I think you missed the point entirely and I dont see the point in arguing so I'll just say thank you for answering me.

edit: although, having said that, I do think your first answer was quite honest really, apart from the preachy threat, so I'm happy to leave it at that if you are.

[Heywood]

If aliens came to this planet for the first time proclaiming Allah is God and Mohammed is his prophet, I would suggest you start going to Mosque. My "threat" has nothing to do with Christian mindset. It has to do with a position that if aliens independently practiced a religion earthlings also practice, that would suggest to me that such a religion is divinely inspired. It is much more likely that Allah is God and Mohammed is his prophet than for the exact same religion to emerge on another planet as a matter of happenstance.

This is just my opinion of course.

I didn't say "aliens came to this planet for the first time", so I'd appreciate it if you didn't put words into my mouth so you can tell me I'm wrong.

Other than that I think you missed the point entirely and I dont see the point in arguing so I'll just say thank you for answering me.

edit: although, having said that, I do think your first answer was quite honest really, apart from the preachy threat, so I'm happy to leave it at that if you are.

But I did say "aliens came to this planet the first time" when I laid out the thought experiment. If you change the conditions of the thought experiment and then claim the conclusion of the original thought experiment is wrong.....what you have done is made a straw man argument.

Can you see your error now?

Edit: I re-read the exchange. What you did was add a new element to the thought experiment. The element being that aliens had visited this planet. I then put in the condition that they had not so as to clarify my point that if one religion emerged independently on two separate planets, that would give you good reason to take that religion seriously.

You did not make a strawman here....sorry.

[jesus_wept]

It wasn't me who changed the conditions of the thought experiment, I asked about if we found alien life and you decided to take that to mean alien life found us by visiting us, if you want to tell me that I said aliens visited this planet then please show me the quote or stop putting words into my mouth to talk bollocks.

[dyresand]

I predict that life will be found outside of earth(probably on mars) and when it is examined it will be found to be from the same lineage as life on earth.

NASA disclosed on this subject there is life in the universe and this is life in our galaxy so yeah there goes god out the window.

[Anomalocaris]

Tbh this was a rhetorical question really and I was just hoping to point out the arrogance of Christianity, not only are Christians big headed enough to think the entire universe was made for them but they think god actually came to this insignificant speck of dust to "save" them. And I think your threat, telling me I should go to church if they do believe in Jesus, shows the petty Christian mindset for all it is.

If aliens came to this planet for the first time proclaiming Allah is God and Mohammed is his prophet, I would suggest you start going to Mosque. My "threat" has nothing to do with Christian mindset. It has to do with a position that if aliens independently practiced a religion earthlings also practice, that would suggest to me that such a religion is divinely inspired. It is much more likely that Allah is God and Mohammed is his prophet than for the exact same religion to emerge on another planet as a matter of happenstance.

This is just my opinion of course.

So retelling makes the lie much more likely to be true, particularly when there can be personal advantages for the liar in retelling the lie.

I see. I never quite understood how much I overestimated the value of you opinion when I previously assigned your opinion less value than shit.

[downbeatplumb]

And no evidence is good enough for those who have already decided they don't want God to exist.

What would evidence for god look like?

Every time a definition of what god does proves to be "not god" the goal posts get shifted, it has happened so much that now god is a concept that has been shuffled into the unknowable.

So I ask again, what would evidence for god look like?

[bennyboy]

It has to do with a position that if aliens independently practiced a religion earthlings also practice, that would suggest to me that such a religion is divinely inspired. It is much more likely that Allah is God and Mohammed is his prophet than for the exact same religion to emerge on another planet as a matter of happenstance.

Even in the almost unimaginable scenario where this happened, it wouldn't prove that Allah is God. It would prove that the two lifeforms were bound by a communication link-- another species, or an ancient settlement of humans that we had long forgotten about.

It would be pretty exciting and mysterious. But it STILL wouldn't prove a magical Sky Daddy is disapprovingly watching teenage boys masturbating in the shower.