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RE: An Underestimation
February 16, 2015 at 3:10 am
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(February 15, 2015 at 11:28 pm)Razulxe Wrote: Philosophy, religion, and atheism hold much of the same value.
Value is subjective... that which to you is trash is to another treasure, and those noted three are certainly not held in equal standing by all persons.
Quote:A firm belief of their "attained" knowledge. Whether in libraries, or answering their own curiosities, many hold debates, with an intent to contradict, rather than reason and learning.
Faith and intention are not one and the same (one is what you know, the other is what you plan/are attempting to do... there is no overlap).
Contradiction is the essence of learning and a vital tenet of the very foundation of logic (A ≠ ≠ A), lending us to mathematics, which is the basis of all science and monetization in this world. It sounds like you need to understand that to learn: you must first have been wrong. The righteous cannot learn until they feel humility.
Quote:Possessing a quality, open mind is the greatest tool any of us could have. To imagine possibilities is a task; But to imagine impossibilities is a feat of will and real curiosity.
Being a 'great' tool does not also mean it is a 'good' tool. I tire of enduring 'impossibilities'... it stops being a fun tool when you can't turn it off, and it stops being a useful tool when it breaks the builder.
With the right definition... anything is possible. Nothing can be impossible without defying logic... but things can certainly be illogical and also real (hypocrisy)... just where does that leave impossibility? In the head.
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RE: An Underestimation
February 16, 2015 at 3:29 am
Hello, welcome!
I have a hhard time understanding what you write. What's your point with the big bang and a creator again?
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
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RE: An Underestimation
February 16, 2015 at 4:44 am
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(Nobody tell him he's using the text manipulation buttons wrong. I get the feeling the OP was meant to be shouty and lime green.)
I can't remember where this verse is from, I think it got removed from canon:
"I don't hang around with mostly men because I'm gay. It's because men are better than women. Better trained, better equipped...better. Just better! I'm not gay."
For context, this is the previous verse:
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RE: An Underestimation
February 16, 2015 at 4:49 am
(February 15, 2015 at 11:28 pm)Razulxe Wrote: But to imagine impossibilities is a feat of will and real curiosity. | [/align][/color][/size][/font]
To imagine impossibilities is a work of fiction.
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RE: An Underestimation
February 16, 2015 at 5:02 am
(February 16, 2015 at 4:44 am)Exian Wrote: Hey there
(Nobody tell him he's using the text manipulation buttons wrong. I get the feeling the OP was meant to be shouty and lime green.)
Haha yeah, just imagine what the opening tags could have been!
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RE: An Underestimation
February 16, 2015 at 7:13 am
Welcome to the forum
I think you'll find most of us are 'open-minded', but draw the line at un-evidenced claims (as should everyone, of course).
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RE: An Underestimation
February 17, 2015 at 8:24 pm
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(February 16, 2015 at 3:10 am)Alice Wrote: (February 15, 2015 at 11:28 pm)Razulxe Wrote: Philosophy, religion, and atheism hold much of the same value.
Value is subjective... that which to you is trash is to another treasure, and those noted three are certainly not held in equal standing by all persons.
Quote:A firm belief of their "attained" knowledge. Whether in libraries, or answering their own curiosities, many hold debates, with an intent to contradict, rather than reason and learning.
Faith and intention are not one and the same (one is what you know, the other is what you plan/are attempting to do... there is no overlap). Razulxe- Well I could say that I have seen things beyond nature and imagination and cry out in the streets that God is real but the less fortunate like yourself would see me as crazy and toss the idea out the window. I cant say atheism is stupid because I was once an atheist and a phenomenon occurred and the shock landed me in prison.
(February 16, 2015 at 7:13 am)Pandæmonium Wrote: Welcome to the forum
I think you'll find most of us are 'open-minded', but draw the line at un-evidenced claims (as should everyone, of course).
Unclaimed evidence will keep you running in circles meaning you only purpose is to prove religion wrong.
(February 16, 2015 at 2:31 am)Aoi Magi Wrote: 
You have a common confusion about theism and atheism. Maybe try looking up the definitions a bit? razulxe- no i am theist. I believe in a maker. Not by faith or brainwash. But experience.
(February 16, 2015 at 3:29 am)Alex K Wrote: Hello, welcome!
I have a hhard time understanding what you write. What's your point with the big bang and a creator again?
Razulxe- It is to try a seperate idea of creation- quite opposite. If it is imagined-it cant be contradicted no matter the faith.
(February 16, 2015 at 4:49 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: [quote='Razulxe' pid='876416' dateline='1424057326']
But to imagine impossibilities is a feat of will and real curiosity. | [/align][/color][/size][/font]
To imagine impossibilities is a work of fiction.
Welcome to our club.
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Razulxe- Fiction?You are an atheist.. You wouldnt know the difference if you were the only person in the world and a creator was an actor. Open your mind and I bet you wont be as naive in the everyday world.
(February 16, 2015 at 3:10 am)Alice Wrote: (February 15, 2015 at 11:28 pm)Razulxe Wrote: Philosophy, religion, and atheism hold much of the same value.
Value is subjective... that which to you is trash is to another treasure, and those noted three are certainly not held in equal standing by all persons.
Razulxe- What was meant that they all have enough belief to argue with each other and none of them come out any different except angry and proud.
(February 16, 2015 at 3:29 am)Alex K Wrote: Hello, welcome!
I have a hhard time understanding what you write. What's your point with the big bang and a creator again?
razulxe- the "likewise" symbolize even atheist believe in hypothesis so the idea is to seperate the proud from the curious.
(February 16, 2015 at 12:36 am)Razulxe Wrote: [quote='Surgenator' pid='876429' dateline='1424059286']
Welcome to the forum.
I have to disagree with your " A firm belief of their attained knowledge" claim. Showing that someone hasn't meet their burden of proof is not a knowledge claim. I did mean to use quotatations.
(February 16, 2015 at 12:13 am)Pyrrho Wrote: No. If we look at the damage done to the world due to religion, philosophy, and atheism, we can quite clearly see that they are very far from the same value. Razulxe- Sometimes my brain seems to fall out in dreams. sarcasm. But that should express the capabilities of my imagination to an atheist but i figure word of mouth dosent count either.
Somehow, your remarks remind me of a saying about it being good to have an open mind, but not so open that one's brain falls on the floor. Once something has been supported by good evidence, it is reasonable to believe it. And not all positions are on the same level. Some have no evidence in favor of them at all.
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RE: An Underestimation
February 17, 2015 at 9:03 pm
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Welcome Razulxe
(February 16, 2015 at 12:01 am)Surgenator Wrote: Welcome to the forum.
I have to disagree with your "A firm belief of their attained knowledge" claim. Showing that someone hasn't meet their burden of proof is not a knowledge claim. One can have " A firm belief of their attained knowledge". Knowledge does not require nor exude truth until a claim is made.
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RE: An Underestimation
February 17, 2015 at 9:04 pm
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(February 16, 2015 at 12:13 am)Pyrrho Wrote: (February 15, 2015 at 11:28 pm)Razulxe Wrote: Philosophy, religion, and atheism hold much of the same value.
No. If we look at the damage done to the world due to religion, philosophy, and atheism, we can quite clearly see that they are very far from the same value.
(February 15, 2015 at 11:28 pm)Razulxe Wrote: A firm belief of their attained knowledge. Whether in libraries, or answering their own curiosities, many hold debates, with an intent to contradict, rather than reason and learning. Possessing a quality, open mind is the greatest tool any of us could have. To imagine possibilities is a task; But to imagine impossibilities is a feat of will and real curiosity. | [/align][/color][/size][/font]
Somehow, your remarks remind me of a saying about it being good to have an open mind, but not so open that one's brain falls on the floor. Once something has been supported by good evidence, it is reasonable to believe it. And not all positions are on the same level. Some have no evidence in favor of them at all. Razulxe- I could live my life just as good without trying to help someone else UNDERSTAND what I do but I wonder why im still alive after learning. I feel like i may just be in a hell(not literal)
(February 17, 2015 at 9:03 pm)IATIA Wrote: Welcome Razulxe
(February 16, 2015 at 12:01 am)Surgenator Wrote: Welcome to the forum.
I have to disagree with your "A firm belief of their attained knowledge" claim. Showing that someone hasn't meet their burden of proof is not a knowledge claim. One can have " A firm belief of their attained knowledge". Knowledge does not require nor exude truth until a claim is made. Razulxe-A lunatic experience?
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RE: An Underestimation
February 17, 2015 at 10:04 pm
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What the hell is this gibberish?! And why are there now two of them?
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
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