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Australia: Tough New Anti-Piracy Measures
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RE: Australia: Tough New Anti-Piracy Measures
(March 6, 2015 at 6:54 pm)Aractus Wrote:
(March 6, 2015 at 12:29 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: They're compensating the artists, exactly as I had suggested, and that contributes to the "optimistic news" mentioned in your article.

I'm unsure why you prefaced this post with "Really?", though. We're in agreement.
The main part I disagreed with was the end part of Cato's post: "I don't see how any of it legitimizes theft." If that's the way that you look at it, I don't see how you can come up with solutions to the problem!

Don't you agree that taking someone's work without their being compensated is theft?

The law certainly does; that is exactly why it is called intellectual property.

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#22
RE: Australia: Tough New Anti-Piracy Measures
No, the law doesn't see it as theft, it sees it as "copyright infringement". And the most severe kind of copyright infringement is profiting from the works of others.
For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50. -LINK

The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK


"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke
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RE: Australia: Tough New Anti-Piracy Measures
(March 6, 2015 at 8:58 pm)Aractus Wrote: No, the law doesn't see it as theft, it sees it as "copyright infringement". And the most severe kind of copyright infringement is profiting from the works of others.

You're technically correct. I'm speaking conceptually, though. You are taking something you haven't bought: the right to enjoy the artist's output. Taking something that does not belong to you is theft, by definition.

Are you free to do as you wish with someone else's property?

ETA: not saying you yourself are doing that, it's the generic "you".

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#24
RE: Australia: Tough New Anti-Piracy Measures
Quote:And the most severe kind of copyright infringement is profiting from the works of others.

I have no use for these corporate motherfuckers.
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RE: Australia: Tough New Anti-Piracy Measures
(March 6, 2015 at 9:10 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: Are you free to do as you wish with someone else's property?
Look, we don't just let "rights holders" dictate their terms. If we did then they would dictate what you can and cannot do with a product - i.e. use it for it's "intended purpose" only. As an example (in Aust.), a decade back Warner felt they were entitled to print "this disc is not for rental". So the Video Retailer's Assoc. took them on in court and won. They can't say that their discs can't be rented or loaned in libraries. Just like a book publisher can't dictate that. Just like a music publisher can't either.

Sony has tried repeatedly to have modchips banned, and repeatedly they've lost. Time and time again. First they claimed copyright infringement, then they claimed patent infringement, then copyright infringement again. Every time they lost. We don't let "rights holders" dictate to consumers what they can and can't do with their products. If I want to buy a Play Station, gut it, and wear it as a hat that's my prerogative.

We live in a real world with real consequences for actions; not theoretical ones. What benefit does it serve to have rights holders bully, threaten and intimidate consumers? You know when that behaviour happens in a marriage or civil partnership it's called domestic violence. When it happens for political motivations we call it terrorism. When it is done by police it's called "police harassment" or worse "police brutality". In the workplace it's called bullying and harassment. Consumers are the ones who drive the health of the economy; so what possible benefit does it serve to have "rights holders" threaten, intimidate and bully them?
For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50. -LINK

The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK


"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke
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RE: Australia: Tough New Anti-Piracy Measures
Look, you cannot simply download copyrighted product without compensating the artist. THAT is my point, once again. I never mentioned nor advocated for usage dictates, so why you're hectoring me about it is beyond me. I'll address the rest of your lengthy post when I'm at home and on my computer, if it seems worthwhile.

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