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C4RM5 · March 16, 2015 at 4:55 pm

What I was saying is it can be seen as rebelling, when in reality it isn't. By the way before I posted I looked up a defination. One of the meanings was 'turning away from a tradition. Which can be seen as a religion.

**Napoléon** · March 16, 2015 at 4:59 pm

(March 16, 2015 at 4:47 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: To be fair to Drich, it is technically rebelling against them(parents). But rebelling can be done for wrong and right reasons. Wolfclan, you believe this is right, then fairplay. I think it is important to not let beliefs break down any good relationshios with your family.

Trust a christian to ride in on his white horse to defend another christian.

Muppets.

C4RM5 · March 16, 2015 at 5:08 pm

I was just saying according to the defination I found it was rebelling. I was saying as long as wolf was happy then I thought he avoided breaking any previous family relationship. Is there anything wrong with that?

You are picking out the wrong things I say ,according to you and completely ignoring anything else I say.

abaris · March 16, 2015 at 6:15 pm

(March 16, 2015 at 4:28 pm)wolfclan96 Wrote: Yes Drich, you caught me...

Im just a rebellious crimanal piece of crap looking for an opportunity to rebel and break the law.

Don't worry. I deconverted from christianity at a much younger age than you. And it had nothing to do with rebelling against my parents, since they were Christmas and Easter christians at the best of times and didn't give a damn about turning their children christians. It's just his usual lashing out without bothering to look at the person.

And like you, I was kind of a deist for the longest time of my life. At least that's how I understood your OP.

**Cyberman** · March 16, 2015 at 9:13 pm

(March 16, 2015 at 4:31 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:
(March 16, 2015 at 4:28 pm)wolfclan96 Wrote: In all seriousness though, I find your comment biased and unfair.

With Drich, getttttttt used to that.

Yeah - just wait until you've been here a while and he'll pray for you to get cancer. Then you'll know you've arrived.

YGninja · (This post was last modified: March 17, 2015 at 9:33 am by YGninja.)

(March 16, 2015 at 1:25 pm)wolfclan96 Wrote: Hey guys, wassup...

It's become clear and known to my family that I am no longer a Christian. At first, it was what you'ed expect. My mom bacame upset, as well as my aunts, my dad to a degree, and bassicly all my friends at school save maybe a couple people.

my mom went to the extrem of bassicly villifying me to my brothers and sister (two of which are too young to have opinions of their own) RIGHT INFRONT OF ME.

Now, we've since had our talks and bassicly the agreement between us is "agree to disagree" sorta thing, which is fine, my desire was not to change minds or anything just to make it clear I just couldnt buy into that sorta stuff anymore.

So here i am, a nonbeliever of the christian faith.
If not Christianity, where do I stand?

Well I'll tell you...

I've learned ideas of the left hand path, the ideas of free thinking, inquiry, reason...and the idea that, in our own subjective universe, are our own gods/masters. So Atheist? Welllll...probably more agnostic because to say a god does not exist would mean I have absolute knowlage of the universe, which i do not.

one of my aunts tried argueing with me, pointing out how her stomach tumer vanished seemingly over night, or how her son (my cousine) survived being rolled over by a car despite being really young (we're talking todler). She seems to believe that these were directly related to her god...for some reason. Which brings up the question of miracles.

seeing as how thousands of diffrent gods are beeing worshiped, I dont see how any one person can just autamaticly claim "THIS IS CLEARLY THE WORK OF GOD!!!"

Me:"okay...why?"

"BECAUSE ONLY GOD CAN DO MIRACLES!!!"

Me:"thats a baseless assumption..."

"YOUR HEART IS TOO CLOSED TO REALIZE THE TRUTH!!!"

Me:"nooo...i just realize there is more too the situation then just "God"...and even if it was an act if a god, whos to say it wasnt any other god (Or goddess)? Any Theistic person can claim credit in this situation...

"I made it on time for work...surely Zues is looking out for me."

"That man was cured of his disease, therefor Odin is real."

"The universe is so spectacular...the flying spegheti monster must be alive and well, PRAISE BE HIS MIGHTY MEATBALLS!!! lol"

So yea, left hand path all the way :3

What do you guys think?

Um, the left hand path is otherwise known as Satanism. The belief that you are your own God, is Satanism. Seems like you have unwittingly became a Satanist, which as it happens is actually the intention of many atheist promulgators.

FatAndFaithless · March 17, 2015 at 9:32 am

You've discovered our secret, YG. We're all secret satanists. It's kinda like secret santa, except instead of giving a gift to a stranger, we give them DAMNATION.

**Cyberman** · March 17, 2015 at 9:39 am

I go around hiding biros and nicking socks from the washer. You can't really get more evil than that.

Chas · March 17, 2015 at 9:59 am

(March 17, 2015 at 9:30 am)YGninja Wrote: Um, the left hand path is otherwise known as Satanism. The belief that you are your own God, is Satanism. Seems like you have unwittingly became a Satanist, which as it happens is actually the intention of many atheist promulgators.

How long have you had this fantasy idea?

Satanism is just sociopathy in funny costumes.

watchamadoodle · March 17, 2015 at 10:34 am

(March 17, 2015 at 9:59 am)Chas Wrote:
(March 17, 2015 at 9:30 am)YGninja Wrote: Um, the left hand path is otherwise known as Satanism. The belief that you are your own God, is Satanism. Seems like you have unwittingly became a Satanist, which as it happens is actually the intention of many atheist promulgators.

How long have you had this fantasy idea?

Satanism is just sociopathy in funny costumes.

I think you got that mixed up with Christianity. Wink

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