A Si Fi watchmaker.

[Brian37]

Show me one scientist you would consider credible that would say "you don't have to test anything".

You are getting pissy with me because I am not treating si fi special. People get their ideas from all sorts of things. If depicting something were all it took religious people would be right.

[Ravenshire]

Show me one scientist you would consider credible that would say "you don't have to test anything".

You are getting pissy with me because I am not treating si fi special. People get their ideas from all sorts of things. If depicting something were all it took religious people would be right.

(emphasis is mine)

You're the only one making this claim, chucklefuck!

[Brian37]

Show me one scientist you would consider credible that would say "you don't have to test anything".

You are getting pissy with me because I am not treating si fi special. People get their ideas from all sorts of things. If depicting something were all it took religious people would be right.

(emphasis is mine)

You're the only one making this claim, chucklefuck!

I will concede that I am full of shit right now when you find me a credible scientist that says "you don't have to test it, just claim it".

[Aoi Magi]

I will concede that I am full of shit right now when you find me a credible scientist that says "you don't have to test it, just claim it".

Which SciFi made the claim "you don't have to test it, just claim it"?

[Brian37]

If you get your inspiration from the Koran, Harry Potter, Gone With the Wind, 1984, Bible or ANYTHING, if you assert that it is true, or possible, you are still stuck with setting up a quality control to PROVE those things. You do not get away with simply depicting something and claiming it is true before you work on it.

Most of what QM is proving is still stuck in the mathematical phase. True on paper or in a computer simulation doesn't mean everything that is proven on paper will be a pragmatic reality in the future. The most confident scientists who say it will happen are not claiming we are there yet. And none of them no matter how confident about what they think will happen will ever say "stop at the claim itself because that is all you need".

[One Above All]

I will concede that I am full of shit right now when you find me a credible scientist that says "you don't have to test it, just claim it".

Which SciFi made the claim "you don't have to test it, just claim it"?

All of them, obviously. Just thinking about it proves it. That's why we need to ban non-scientific thought altogether.

[Brian37]

Which SciFi made the claim "you don't have to test it, just claim it"?

All of them, obviously. Just thinking about it proves it. That's why we need to ban non-scientific thought altogether.

WILL YOU PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF SPOCK stop fucking accusing me of wanting to ban anything.

Nobody gets a pass does not equate to never make any claim at all.

There still is a right way of getting to proof and a wrong way. None of those scientists you like will ever say "you don't have to prove it".

Again, you want me to give si fi a pass and no credible scientist would ever say that.

Si fi is ONE source where people feel inspired, but humans get their ideas from EVERYTHING. Si fi does not get a pass. It can make whatever depictions it wants, but it should not be given a pass.

If merely depicting something made it true, then religion should get a pass too. Make whatever claims you want fine, but you still have nothing until you put it through testing.

[Ravenshire]

(emphasis is mine)

You're the only one making this claim, chucklefuck!

I will concede that I am full of shit right now when you find me a credible scientist that says "you don't have to test it, just claim it".

Look, chucklefuck, I agree that you have to test claims in the real fucking world. Science fiction doesn't deal in REALITY and doesn't fucking claim to! How can you keep missing that point, over and over, like a willfully ignorant faither?

Sure, some fucktard can come along and start a Jedi Order religion (real, no shit). They can also come along and start claiming they are actually werewolves or vampires (also real, no shit). Some people are just fucking stupid.

Again, I'm going to ask, what would you have us do about it?

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I will concede that I am full of shit right now when you find me a credible scientist that says "you don't have to test it, just claim it".

Which SciFi made the claim "you don't have to test it, just claim it"?

I'm left wondering which sci-fi made any claim about reality at all.

[Brian37]

I will concede that I am full of shit right now when you find me a credible scientist that says "you don't have to test it, just claim it".

Look, chucklefuck, I agree that you have to test claims in the real fucking world. Science fiction doesn't deal in REALITY and doesn't fucking claim to! How can you keep missing that point, over and over, like a willfully ignorant faither?

Sure, some fucktard can come along and start a Jedi Order religion (real, no shit). They can also come along and start claiming they are actually werewolves or vampires (also real, no shit). Some people are just fucking stupid.

Again, I'm going to ask, what would you have us do about it?

Science fiction [b]doesn't deal in REALITY

Now was that so hard to admit? If it does not deal in reality as PER YOUR OWN WORDS, then it should be treated as FICTION.

Again, people can come up with ideas, but to say mistakes or falsehoods or assumptions cannot be made in fiction is absurd. ANY TYPE OF FICTION. Si fi is not the only source of inspiration humans get their ideas from.

[One Above All]

Now was that so hard to admit? If it does not deal in reality as PER YOUR OWN WORDS, then it should be treated as FICTION.

You're the only one not doing it, as far as I can tell. Seriously, get yourself a psychiatrist... or a mirror. Or a brain. Or all of the above.

Again, people can come up with ideas, but to say mistakes or falsehoods or assumptions cannot be made in fiction is absurd.

It's... really not. Aside from plot holes and other such things that storytelling is prone to, you literally cannot make any false statements in fiction. I can say that, in my fictional world, unicorns shoot rainbows out of their hooves, and I'd be right. Because it's fictional.