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RE: A Si Fi watchmaker.
March 21, 2015 at 8:32 pm
(March 21, 2015 at 7:42 pm)Brian37 Wrote: But calling me a fanatic is absurd.
You should consider that not one person has come to your defense in this thread. And this is in a forum where the members are highly skewed toward critical thinking and skepticism. If you're too extreme for us, good luck finding anyone who agrees with your position elsewhere.
I'd say "fanatical" fits.
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RE: A Si Fi watchmaker.
March 21, 2015 at 8:33 pm
(March 21, 2015 at 7:42 pm)Brian37 Wrote: (March 21, 2015 at 6:58 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Brian let me be blunt here, the most dangerous think here is your fanaticism. You don't even seem to be debating her so much and repeating yourself and then bemoaning that we don't understand you.
I didn't say you didn't understand me. You merely don't like my responses. But calling me a fanatic is absurd. When I start having you arrested or sticking you in ovens then you can call me a "fanatic". Yes I am repeating myself.
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
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RE: A Si Fi watchmaker.
March 21, 2015 at 11:20 pm
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(March 21, 2015 at 8:33 pm)Chuck Wrote: (March 21, 2015 at 7:42 pm)Brian37 Wrote: I didn't say you didn't understand me. You merely don't like my responses. But calling me a fanatic is absurd. When I start having you arrested or sticking you in ovens then you can call me a "fanatic". Yes I am repeating myself.
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
No you are reading into what you want to read into what I am saying and not understanding what I am saying. Or understanding what I am saying and mad that I won't bow to you.
A fanatic says "don't ever do that". If you get enjoyment out of si fi and find inspiration from it so what. People get enjoyment out of religion and holy books and yet you know holy books are fiction.
All I said was science is science and fiction is fiction. Which is why it is called science FICTION.
This is real science.
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RE: A Si Fi watchmaker.
March 22, 2015 at 12:05 pm
(March 21, 2015 at 11:20 pm)Brian37 Wrote: (March 21, 2015 at 8:33 pm)Chuck Wrote: A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
No you are reading into what you want to read into what I am saying and not understanding what I am saying. Or understanding what I am saying and mad that I won't bow to you.
A fanatic says "don't ever do that". If you get enjoyment out of si fi and find inspiration from it so what. People get enjoyment out of religion and holy books and yet you know holy books are fiction.
All I said was science is science and fiction is fiction. Which is why it is called science FICTION.
This is real science.
Didn't like 5 of us say that a few pages back?.
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RE: A Si Fi watchmaker.
March 22, 2015 at 2:22 pm
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The more you treat my criticism of a mere show like I murdered your family, the more you prove you worship that show. You do not seem to understand that that kind of insistent of treating anything special is what can allow some deluded nut to take it and turn fiction into a religion.
If you think that it is impossible for Star Trek to go from a mere show to a religion like Islam or Christianity, you would be wrong. I should not shock anyone if in the future you had people build actual buildings to that show where they treated Gene as a prophet and have wars between a Pope named Kirk vs another sect killing for Pickard.
You stupidly think I am saying don't like the show when all I am saying is that is all it is, a show. Keep railing against me and prove my point you give way too much value to what should be mere entertainment.
I am not saying don't enjoy any form of entertainment, just get off your high horse. It is still just a show.
This emotional reaction to mere entertainment is also what causes sports fans of hockey and soccer and even the NFL to fight in the stands or bars. Have fun enjoy it, but don't take that show as anything more than your personal like. It is not something you should worship.
You like that show. Great. But don't falsely accuse me of things that are not in my head. That intense feeling some may have for that show is the same intense feeling I had at one time for the Redskins, the same intense feeling I had for Pat Benatar. And also the same false hope I had for a girl I pined for in middle and high school. I wanted so badly to be a part of something I never understood that nothing should be worshiped. Enjoyed yes, worshiped never.
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RE: A Si Fi watchmaker.
March 22, 2015 at 3:23 pm
You really will argue with anyone about anything Brian. Fourteen pages in, and I have no idea what your point is.
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RE: A Si Fi watchmaker.
March 22, 2015 at 3:59 pm
(March 22, 2015 at 3:23 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: You really will argue with anyone about anything Brian. Fourteen pages in, and I have no idea what your point is.
The point is that sci-fi shouldn't get a pass. I'm not sure in what regard it's getting a pass, since sci-fi doesn't make any claims and is a form of fictional entertainment by admission and nomenclature, but I'm sure the OP's point is incredibly sound... 
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RE: A Si Fi watchmaker.
March 22, 2015 at 4:05 pm
(March 22, 2015 at 3:23 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: You really will argue with anyone about anything Brian. Fourteen pages in, and I have no idea what your point is.
Not brain surgery here. Science in a formal lab setting with independent peer review is where knowledge is gained. Getting worked up over any form of entertainment means you are taking yourself way too seriously.
The reactions I see to my OP is the same type of reaction you can see in sports fans who fight in a stadium or at a bar.
And even beyond that. People who go this emotionally far with fiction do not understand that this literally how something goes from myth to a real religion. I am not joking about that. If L Ron Hubbard can market words like "space/time" and create a religion out of it, and Joseph Smith can convince people he has magic golden tablets, don't underestimate someone taking that show so seriously that they turn it into a religion.
My only intent of this entire thread is don't treat anything as if it deserves a pedestal. Enjoy it if you like, but don't get so worked up over it to the point you feel like punching someone because they say boo to it. If you are getting that worked up, you are taking the show, and yourself way too seriously.
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RE: A Si Fi watchmaker.
March 22, 2015 at 4:07 pm
(March 22, 2015 at 4:05 pm)Brian37 Wrote: (March 22, 2015 at 3:23 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: You really will argue with anyone about anything Brian. Fourteen pages in, and I have no idea what your point is.
Not brain surgery here. Science in a formal lab setting with independent peer review is where knowledge is gained. Getting worked up over any form of entertainment means you are taking yourself way too seriously.
The reactions I see to my OP is the same type of reaction you can see in sports fans who fight in a stadium or at a bar.
And even beyond that. People who go this emotionally far with fiction do not understand that this literally how something goes from myth to a real religion. I am not joking about that. If L Ron Hubbard can market words like "space/time" and create a religion out of it, and Joseph Smith can convince people he has magic golden tablets, don't underestimate someone taking that show so seriously that they turn it into a religion.
My only intent of this entire thread is don't treat anything as if it deserves a pedestal. Enjoy it if you like, but don't get so worked up over it to the point you feel like punching someone because they say boo to it. If you are getting that worked up, you are taking the show, and yourself way too seriously.
Is there a lack of mirrors in your world or something? 
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RE: A Si Fi watchmaker.
March 22, 2015 at 4:12 pm
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(March 22, 2015 at 4:07 pm)One Above All Wrote: (March 22, 2015 at 4:05 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Not brain surgery here. Science in a formal lab setting with independent peer review is where knowledge is gained. Getting worked up over any form of entertainment means you are taking yourself way too seriously.
The reactions I see to my OP is the same type of reaction you can see in sports fans who fight in a stadium or at a bar.
And even beyond that. People who go this emotionally far with fiction do not understand that this literally how something goes from myth to a real religion. I am not joking about that. If L Ron Hubbard can market words like "space/time" and create a religion out of it, and Joseph Smith can convince people he has magic golden tablets, don't underestimate someone taking that show so seriously that they turn it into a religion.
My only intent of this entire thread is don't treat anything as if it deserves a pedestal. Enjoy it if you like, but don't get so worked up over it to the point you feel like punching someone because they say boo to it. If you are getting that worked up, you are taking the show, and yourself way too seriously.
Is there a lack of mirrors in your world or something?
When I outlaw Star Trek or burn you at the stake for liking it, then you will have a case, but the fact I keep repeating myself does not make me a fascist. How about you try understanding why nothing should be worshiped instead of acting like a brat?
You do not undertand I say this because I used when I was young have the exact same reaction you are having with me now, I had with other people with other things I was into.
Stop acting like I murdered your family for saying don't worship anything or anyone. It is just a show, get over it.
Would you like me to behave like you with ABBA? I can do that and show you how silly you are acting.
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