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Have I misunderstood socialism?
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 (April 28, 2010 at 4:56 pm)Tiberius Wrote: I doubt it. Bozo is still stuck with a 1970's mindset; he can't accept that things have changed for the generations below him. I don't doubt it... but I'd be interested if he does 
Please give me a home where cloud buffalo roam
Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day
Adrian, dear boy, the class struggle predates the 1970's, but you don't do history, do you?
 A man is born to a virgin mother, lives, dies, comes alive again and then disappears into the clouds to become his Dad. How likely is that?
I was actually referring to the generational differences we had last time you were here, concerning racism and affirmative action.
(April 28, 2010 at 7:18 pm)Tiberius Wrote: I was actually referring to the generational differences we had last time you were here, concerning racism and affirmative action. Ah, I understand. I understand and agree with you 100% that a generation gap is a powerful influence on how one sees the world. I do not have much time for " older " types who try to remain " young trendy " and go along with what is contemporary in an attempt to be accepted. I think you know me well enough by now to appreciate I will never be in that camp! As regards this thread, we had a debate around political theory ( socialism v capitalism ) last year and neither of us is open to conversion. I suggest it may make more sense if we discuss current political matters and how differently we see those things. For example, on another thread dealing with the election, you say you will be voting conservative. I could not envisage ever voting that way, given that party's history. I am not convinced, as you suggest, that it is a different party under the Eton toff Cameron. There is evidence that beneath the claim that it is no longer the " nasty " party, old habits die hard. I am thinking of the candidates that have been removed for anti-gay expressions and the desertion to labour of a woman who was going to be a candidate but who claims she was treated as a second-class tory purely because she came from the north of england. Cameron himself got into trouble in a live interview on gay rights when he clearly hadn't mastered his brief, implication being that he is giving lip service only to the subject. As to what the tories are offering, the " Big Society" seems to be the big idea....at least it was, but this campaign has gone on so long now maybe it isn't any more. I don't really get it and cannot support what I understand of it. I find it quite rich that Cameron is claiming it will help mend broken Britain because " we're all in it together" TRy telling that to somebody at the bottom of the heap that they and Richard Branson, for example, are all in it together! Furthermore, his plan assumes hordes of volunteers will be active nationwide doing good deeds. Sounds unlikely to me, but even if it happened, I believe that if there is work to be done then it should command a wage. Finaly on this, we elect a government and pay for it through our taxes to run the country. I don't employ a builder to put up a wall for me and help him out with the labouring. Enough for starters? A man is born to a virgin mother, lives, dies, comes alive again and then disappears into the clouds to become his Dad. How likely is that?
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