What IS good, and how do we determine it?

[rexbeccarox]

Can you tell me why its not accurate?

When you say "to satisfy Himself" it gives off the perception of selfishness and self gratification. Yes, it does make Him happy to see us happy with him in Heaven because He loves us so much. So technically, it is "satisfactory" in that sense. But it's like giving someone you love a great gift and then being happy to see them happy with it. Would you call your motives "self satisfying?"

Also, God could have "circumvented" the laws anyway He wanted. But none would have made such an impression and shown such love as coming down to die a horrible death for us on the cross. That was a physical way for us to see how much we mean to Him and what He's willing to do for us. Showing us this love helps bring more people in too, which is ultimately what He wants.

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Did God not create the rules, according to you?  And if not to satisfy himself, why did he send himself in Jesus form?

Please see above.

If there were mental gymnastics in the Olympics, you'd take at least bronze.

[Brakeman]

When you say "to satisfy Himself" it gives off the perception of selfishness and self gratification. Yes, it does make Him happy to see us happy with him in Heaven because He loves us so much. So technically, it is "satisfactory" in that sense. But it's like giving someone you love a great gift and then being happy to see them happy with it. Would you call your motives "self satisfying?"

Yes, Absolutely. When we do a good deed, our brain rewards us with a shot of "happy hormones", dopamine and Serotonin. Our brain craves this because it lacks this during normal daily activities.
For you magic sky god to need anything to be happy makes him not a god. An omnipotent being "needs" nothing that he couldn't already have.

[Catholic_Lady]

If you look at the entirety of the bible, particularly the teachings of Jesus, you will see that absolutely, killing children is wrong.

(emphasis is mine)

He had no problem with slavery though...

Morality is subjective to to time and society you live in. What may have been moral yesterday is not necessarily moral today. What is immoral today may be moral tomorrow.

This is incorrect.

I really don't think a person can read the life of Jesus in its entirety and come out of it having the honest (key word) belief that Jesus condones slavery.

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When you say "to satisfy Himself" it gives off the perception of selfishness and self gratification. Yes, it does make Him happy to see us happy with him in Heaven because He loves us so much. So technically, it is "satisfactory" in that sense. But it's like giving someone you love a great gift and then being happy to see them happy with it. Would you call your motives "self satisfying?"

Also, God could have "circumvented" the laws anyway He wanted. But none would have made such an impression and shown such love as coming down to die a horrible death for us on the cross. That was a physical way for us to see how much we mean to Him and what He's willing to do for us. Showing us this love helps bring more people in too, which is ultimately what He wants.

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Please see above.

If there were mental gymnastics in the Olympics, you'd take at least bronze.

I am sorry you think that's what I'm doing, but I respect your opinion.

[Ravenshire]

Well, for one thing, Jesus and God are one and the same. But yes, God sent a part of himself (whom we refer to as the Son) to die for us. But Jesus  could still have chosen to opt out of it. He still had free will. Being God, Jesus could have saved himself but chose to die voluntarily at the hands of the people.  

^This seems like a far cry from "God killed Jesus and God thinks killing is ok."

(emphasis is mine)

So, jeebus committed suicide for our sins. But isn't suicide a sin?!? How can a sin resolve other sins? You kathy-licks are a silly bunch.

[Catholic_Lady]

When you say "to satisfy Himself" it gives off the perception of selfishness and self gratification. Yes, it does make Him happy to see us happy with him in Heaven because He loves us so much. So technically, it is "satisfactory" in that sense. But it's like giving someone you love a great gift and then being happy to see them happy with it. Would you call your motives "self satisfying?"

Yes, Absolutely. When we do a good deed, our brain rewards us with a shot of "happy hormones", dopamine and Serotonin. Our brain craves this because it lacks this during normal daily activities.
For you magic sky god to need anything to be happy makes him not a god. An omnipotent being "needs" nothing that he couldn't already have.

He doesn't need it. But he does want us to be happy because he loves us.

And i'm just explaining my own beliefs here. i know yall believe different.

[Brakeman]

(emphasis is mine)

He had no problem with slavery though...

Morality is subjective to to time and society you live in. What may have been moral yesterday is not necessarily moral today. What is immoral today may be moral tomorrow.

This is incorrect.

I really don't think a person can read the life of Jesus in its entirety and come out of it having the honest (key word) belief that Jesus condones slavery.

No one could put jesus in context in an era swimming in the worst evils of slavery and honestly say he took a stand against slavery. It would be too bald face of a lie for anything but the most dishonest christian.

[Mr.wizard]

Can you tell me why its not accurate?

When you say "to satisfy Himself" it gives off the perception of selfishness and self gratification. Yes, it does make Him happy to see us happy with him in Heaven because He loves us so much. So technically, it is "satisfactory" in that sense. But it's like giving someone you love a great gift and then being happy to see them happy with it. Would you call your motives "self satisfying?"

Also, God could have "circumvented" the laws anyway He wanted. But none would have made such an impression and shown such love as coming down to die a horrible death for us on the cross. That was a physical way for us to see how much we mean to Him and what He's willing to do for us. Showing us this love helps bring more people in too, which is ultimately what He wants.

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Did God not create the rules, according to you?  And if not to satisfy himself, why did he send himself in Jesus form?

Please see above.

Im not sure who else the sacrifice would of been satisfying if not god, since he was the one who made sacrifice the requirement for atonement. As far as everything else you wrote, all I can say is you have a sick idea of what love is and how someone shows they love one another.

[Catholic_Lady]

Well, for one thing, Jesus and God are one and the same. But yes, God sent a part of himself (whom we refer to as the Son) to die for us. But Jesus  could still have chosen to opt out of it. He still had free will. Being God, Jesus could have saved himself but chose to die voluntarily at the hands of the people.  

^This seems like a far cry from "God killed Jesus and God thinks killing is ok."

(emphasis is mine)

So, jeebus committed suicide for our sins. But isn't suicide a sin?!? How can a sin resolve other sins? You kathy-licks are a silly bunch.

I think choosing to not resist the enemy does not constitute as suicide.

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When you say "to satisfy Himself" it gives off the perception of selfishness and self gratification. Yes, it does make Him happy to see us happy with him in Heaven because He loves us so much. So technically, it is "satisfactory" in that sense. But it's like giving someone you love a great gift and then being happy to see them happy with it. Would you call your motives "self satisfying?"

Also, God could have "circumvented" the laws anyway He wanted. But none would have made such an impression and shown such love as coming down to die a horrible death for us on the cross. That was a physical way for us to see how much we mean to Him and what He's willing to do for us. Showing us this love helps bring more people in too, which is ultimately what He wants.

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Please see above.

Im not sure who else the sacrifice would of been satisfying if not god, since he was the one who made sacrifice the requirement for atonement.

For us.

As far as everything else you wrote, all I can say is you have a sick idea of what love is and how someone shows they love one another.

There is no greater love than to die for somebody.

I'm sorry you feel that way about me, but I respect your opinion.

[Pyrrho]

If you look at the entirety of the bible, particularly the teachings of Jesus, you will see that absolutely, killing children is wrong.

(emphasis is mine)

He had no problem with slavery though...

Morality is subjective to to time and society you live in. What may have been moral yesterday is not necessarily moral today. What is immoral today may be moral tomorrow.

It is pure crap anyway.  God directly commands the killing of children, multiple times.  If we look at Jesus, he was fine with the Old Testament laws.  The words of Jesus, according to Matthew 5:

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.


Of course, many Christians pretend that Jesus did not mean what he says there (and by all means, look it up in your favorite translation).  But it is only pretend.

Additionally, Jesus does not say that children do not go to hell.  Those who do not follow Jesus burn in hell forever and ever.  There is o stated exception for children.  That is much worse than merely killing people.

The words of Jesus as recorded in Mark 6:


10 And he said unto them, In what place soever ye enter into an house, there abide till ye depart from that place.

11 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.


Tell me, what cities do not have children?  It is just a lie to say that Jesus has a problem with killing children.

Even if none of that were the case, Jesus did not undo the past and make God not command the murder of children in the Old Testament.  So it is just bullshit.

This is typical Christian bait and switch propaganda, telling you God and Jesus is love and goodness to sucker people in, and then, later on, one finds the real truth of how horrible God and Jesus are, as depicted in the Bible.

[Mr.wizard]

(emphasis is mine)

So, jeebus committed suicide for our sins. But isn't suicide a sin?!? How can a sin resolve other sins? You kathy-licks are a silly bunch.

I think choosing to not resist the enemy does not constitute as suicide.

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Im not sure who else the sacrifice would of been satisfying if not god, since he was the one who made sacrifice the requirement for atonement.

For us.

As far as everything else you wrote, all I can say is you have a sick idea of what love is and how someone shows they love one another.

There is no greater love than to die for somebody.

I'm sorry you feel that way about me, but I respect your opinion.

We did not require sacrifice, god required the sacrifice. You either don't know your religion or your just being dishonest about it.