What IS good, and how do we determine it?

[Whateverist]

Is it bad that this morning I read the thread title as "What IS good, and how do we undermine it?"

Maybe we need to bring back a certain thread for mashing up thread title names.  

(They used to call me the necromancer.)

[Cyberman]

I'm sorry, I didn't know my name was Sam Harris.

Well, apparently I'm Christopher Hitchens. Good to meet you, Sam.

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Fuck, it's been a long time since I said anything like that...

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[Huggy Bear]

DO ATHEISTS CONDONE RAPE?

"If I could wave a magic wand and get rid of either rape or religion, I would not hesitate to get rid of religion."

Atheist Sam Harris, Interview at The Sun: The Temple of Reason

If you honestly believe that the contention of that quote is "rape is good," then you are a bigger fool than even I'd taken you for.

So I want to hear you say it. I want to hear you actually assert your position regarding this quote: just say "I believe that Sam Harris is saying that he thinks rape is good, in the quote I supplied."

It's either that, or back down from your smug little bolded opening...  

Really?
You're the last person that should be getting all indignant, especially after (falsely) accusing me of trying to justify rape...
http://atheistforums.org/thread-31826-po...#pid890429

I actually wouldn't be surprised if this is the case: I remember one of my first interactions with Huggy was on a certain rape-related issue in the bible, and his entire position was that no rape happened because the actual word "rape" was never used in the text, despite the context making it very clear what was happening.

Selective, ridiculous over-literalism is kinda his deal.

Now THAT is a bald faced lie.
We already know you have a selective memory, how about providing the link to support to that claim?

Actually, I did misremember slightly: we weren't talking about rape, but slavery.The word "slave" does not appear, and therefore it cannot be slavery.

So it WAS a bald faced lie then?

[Pyrrho]

DO ATHEISTS CONDONE RAPE?

"If I could wave a magic wand and get rid of either rape or religion, I would not hesitate to get rid of religion."

Atheist Sam Harris, Interview at The Sun: The Temple of Reason

If you honestly believe that the contention of that quote is "rape is good," then you are a bigger fool than even I'd taken you for.

So I want to hear you say it. I want to hear you actually assert your position regarding this quote: just say "I believe that Sam Harris is saying that he thinks rape is good, in the quote I supplied."

It's either that, or back down from your smug little bolded opening...  

You don't seriously expect him to be honest, do you?  What evidence do you have that he places any value on honesty and integrity?  Take your time, I don't expect you to find any evidence of that any time soon.  You can PM me if I miss the post which provides the demonstration.  You can also tell me all about your proof of the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, which will probably be more believable.

[Esquilax]

Really?
You're the last person that should be getting all indignant, especially after (falsely) accusing me of trying to justify rape...
http://atheistforums.org/thread-31826-po...#pid890429

Well, we already know you're a fool, so I don't need to do too much work on this one, especially since the context of the thread you quoted shows the lie in your assertion; how could I be accusing you of attempting to justify rape if the specific claim I'd made was that it was your position that no rape occurred? To what sensible mind would the idea that you were thinking you were discussing rape at all, given that, even occur?

Oh wait: sensible. That's the problem.

Now, of course, I also went back and found the quotes where you specifically said what I'd accused you of saying- not the strawman of convenience you're still trying to characterize it as now- after you'd asserted that you'd never said that, and I even backtracked when it turned out I was wrong; the content of the argument was the same, and thus still fallacious, but you were talking about slavery instead of rape... which is yet another nail in the coffin of this dishonest notion you're trying to portray that I was accusing you of attempting to justify or condone rape, within the context of your own position.

Of course, being the infantile conman you are, you took this immediate admission of wrongness when I double checked, made on my own with no prompting from you or anyone else, as me being caught in a "bald faced lie," because apparently nobody can be mistaken in your world, but the extent of your mental inadequacy is well known across the entirety of the board, so I don't need to remind everyone there.

Edited to add: Incidentally, if one were to look at the bottom of the page Huggy linked to, you'll see him calling me a liar and asserting that he never made the argument I'd characterized him as making. If one were to then go to the first post of page 32 of that same thread, you'll see me linking to three separate usages of that exact argument by him, over three different topics. The fact that Huggy is misrepresenting a prior thread for his own gain shouldn't be surprising, but I'll leave it for you all to decide if it's dishonesty or sheer idiocy that motivates it here.

[Whateverist]

The fact that Huggy is misrepresenting a prior thread for his own gain shouldn't be surprising, but I'll leave it for you all to decide if it's dishonesty or sheer idiocy that motivates it here.

Those are two perfectly good theories.  This is going to be tough.

[Catholic_Lady]

Thank you everyone again for participating in my thread. I appreciate you taking the time to do so.

My parents and little brother are flying down to visit for the next few days and they will be here this evening! I've been cleaning up and preparing the place for them, so I will be unavailable for the rest of today until next week. :-)  

Thanks again, hope everyone has a great weekend!

Enjoy your time with your family, ma'am.

Thanks so much! They're in bed now and we're going to a water park tomorrow. Have a good night.

[Thumpalumpacus]

This world is the creation of another, higher being. It does not matter what you think about it, these are the rules that have been laid out and can rest happily in the knowledge that the creator who is all good sees the full picture and formation we do not.

You do not get to question him, what he has decided goes. If you don't like it then well, tough.

And again I must point out that such a being should terrify you.  You live at the whim of an angry and vengeful creature who can do as he pleases to whom he pleases.  You cannot hide from him.  You cannot even shield your thoughts from him.  He is unstoppable.  And he is capable of mass slaughter and painful torment and cruelty regardless of how good you think you are, or how devout you think you are.  And if he decides that it's time to make you suffer the worst misery you've ever experienced, you have no choice but to suffer it and be thankful that he didn't get any other ideas while he was working you over.

And you want to spend an eternity within reach of this beast.

Said it before, say it again: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

[Ravenshire]

Is it bad that this morning I read the thread title as "What IS good, and how do we undermine it?"

Nah. The thread was started by a kathy-lick so the error is understandable.

[Thumpalumpacus]

If you honestly believe that the contention of that quote is "rape is good," then you are a bigger fool than even I'd taken you for.

So I want to hear you say it. I want to hear you actually assert your position regarding this quote: just say "I believe that Sam Harris is saying that he thinks rape is good, in the quote I supplied."

It's either that, or back down from your smug little bolded opening...  

Really?
You're the last person that should be getting all indignant, especially after (falsely) accusing me of trying to justify rape...
http://atheistforums.org/thread-31826-po...#pid890429

Now THAT is a bald faced lie.
We already know you have a selective memory, how about providing the link to support to that claim?

So it WAS a bald faced lie then?

lol, this little shitbag is once more trying to grind his personal axes in this clusterfuck of a thread. Hey, Sluggy, how about you actually contribute to a thread, rather than whine about your mistreatment?  Bleeding Christ, I've never seen such an Internet craibaby in my 17 years online.

Or, you could pray to your little godling to change the heart of the person who has given you such obvious butthurt, and we could then test the efficacy of prayer?  {PM me if you need to know what "efficacy" means.)