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Why Some Atheists Reject Morality: The Other Side of the Coin
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Why Some Atheists Reject Morality: The Other Side of the Coin
As my mother says there are three sides to every story. Your side, my side and the truth. So while many of us agree that being atheist is not synonymous with being amoral, I think there are sound reasons why some atheist take that road and it’s worth exploring those reasons objectively before we condemn those who take it.

Truth is, the Church has fucked up the very concept of morality (as I said elsewhere, I’m not being profane, I’m being precise). They’ve had such crazy ideas about morality throughout history.

1. As late as the 19th century, the Church taught that it’s wrong to by insurance. One argument said that buying insurance betrays a lack of faith. For others insurance represents an effort to elude the full effect of god’s judgement. If god wants you to be destitute, then you need to accept that.
2. As late as the 20th century, the Church has condoned wife abuse but condemned women who leave their husbands
3. In the Bible, smiles on the most treacherous acts done in his name
4. The Mosaic Law tells us that if a man rapes a married woman it is not an offence against the woman but against her husband. If the rape takes place in the city they are both put to death because the woman could have screamed and been rescued. The fact that she did not scream is proof that she was complicit in this crime against her husband. If the woman is not married the man must pay her father and marry her. That the woman may not want to be in a Luke and Laura marriage is not at issue

These are just a few of the reprehensible examples that have led some people to say forget it. I will do what I will do.

Let’s not throw out the chicken with the grease. Since there is no god, then god cannot be the author of our moral sensibilities, indeed these have evolved and continue to evolve as we gleam from experience which behaviors will make life better for the inhabitants of this planet. Those who don’t like the status quo don’t have the option of moving to another planet. Those who don’t care are like someone who pisses into a swimming pool not caring about the other people trying to swim and incognizant of the fact that they are in the same pool themselves. What goes around does come around.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.

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RE: Why Some Atheists Reject Morality: The Other Side of the Coin
It is the natural extension of a rejection of the absolute. If life just came out of nowhere then everything is pointless and objective, why shouldn't we just do as we please?

Morality cannot exist detached from God, and we see this in the godless death culture across the western world today.
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RE: Why Some Atheists Reject Morality: The Other Side of the Coin
(June 26, 2015 at 12:21 pm)PiousPaladin Wrote: It is the natural extension of a rejection of the absolute. If life just came out of nowhere then everything is pointless and objective, why shouldn't we just do as we please?

Morality cannot exist detached from God, and we see this in the godless death culture across the western world today.

Absolutely! I think it's great how countries like Saudi Arabia demonstrate their morality from Allah.
Using the supernatural to explain events in your life is a failure of the intellect to comprehend the world around you. -The Inquisition
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RE: Why Some Atheists Reject Morality: The Other Side of the Coin
Their morality does not come from Allah, thankfully however they have not been brainwashed by the liberals and have retained true awareness of the evils of subjective morality.
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RE: Why Some Atheists Reject Morality: The Other Side of the Coin
(June 26, 2015 at 12:21 pm)PiousPaladin Wrote: It is the natural extension of a rejection of the absolute. If life just came out of nowhere then everything is pointless and objective, why shouldn't we just do as we please?

Morality cannot exist detached from God, and we see this in the godless death culture across the western world today.


Here we go again....

ALL social species have evolved 'rules' for cooperation, altruism. kin selection. If they did not, the species would not have survived.

The more advanced the social species, the more rules of higher complexity they have. If we did not evolve our morality, empathy, altruism, etc, we would not have survived as a species.

I actually do exactly as I please. I rape, murder, steal, cheat, exactly as much as I please. The amount that pleases me is exactly ZERO. 

If you did not believe in a god, would you be out murdering, raping, stealing? If so, please, keep believing.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Why Some Atheists Reject Morality: The Other Side of the Coin
(June 26, 2015 at 12:35 pm)PiousPaladin Wrote: Their morality does not come from Allah, thankfully however they have not been brainwashed by the liberals and have retained true awareness of the evils of subjective morality.

If their morality isn't subjective and it doesn't come from Allah, where does it come from?
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RE: Why Some Atheists Reject Morality: The Other Side of the Coin
(June 26, 2015 at 12:35 pm)PiousPaladin Wrote: Their morality does not come from Allah, thankfully however they have not been brainwashed by the liberals and have retained true awareness of the evils of subjective morality.

Yes, they know to worship only Allah and not conform to the Christian god. After all, the bible has been corrupted and is not the true word of god, that has only been revealed to Mohammad.
Using the supernatural to explain events in your life is a failure of the intellect to comprehend the world around you. -The Inquisition
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RE: Why Some Atheists Reject Morality: The Other Side of the Coin
It is impossible to reason with the unreasonable, and I put it to you PP that you are the definition of unreasonable. Nothing but hate, prejudice and mistrust of anything deemed to be an 'other'. How tragic for us a species.
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RE: Why Some Atheists Reject Morality: The Other Side of the Coin
(June 26, 2015 at 12:21 pm)PiousPaladin Wrote: It is the natural extension of a rejection of the absolute. If life just came out of nowhere then everything is pointless and objective, why shouldn't we just do as we please?

How would life be objective if we reject absolutes?
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