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abaris · July 23, 2015 at 9:28 am

(July 23, 2015 at 9:24 am)omnomnom Wrote: BUT I'm just saying NO to the **WEDDING** cakes since I will violate my sexual conscience and beliefs big time for it by making it.

Sexual conscience and beliefs. That's certainly a new one.

~~omnomnom~~ · (This post was last modified: July 23, 2015 at 9:30 am by omnomnom.)

(July 23, 2015 at 9:20 am)Neimenovic Wrote:
(July 23, 2015 at 9:11 am)omnomnom Wrote:

This is the dumbest and simultaneously the most disturbing thing I've read for the past week.

You gotta be trolling

I thought it was dumb too. But how else am I so supposed treat an asshole who for some reason desperately wants me to be a homophobe so that he can have some dude to play victim cards with.

(July 23, 2015 at 9:28 am)abaris Wrote:
(July 23, 2015 at 9:24 am)omnomnom Wrote: BUT I'm just saying NO to the **WEDDING** cakes since I will violate my sexual conscience and beliefs big time for it by making it.

Sexual conscience and beliefs. That's certainly a new one.

It's not my problem that you're perverted and lack one. Try to actually walk in someone else's shoes for a change.

SteelCurtain · July 23, 2015 at 9:32 am

Okay, omnom, let's break this down into brass tacks:

1) In what way is providing a cake for a gay couple's wedding an action that endorses that wedding?
2) Should any store owner be able to restrict what you do with an item they sold you after they sold it to you?

~~omnomnom~~ · July 23, 2015 at 9:32 am

(July 23, 2015 at 7:50 am)robvalue Wrote: I've just had a word with all the shops ever and now they're all refusing to serve Buddhists. Hope that's cool. It's their personal choice, don't put your bigot hate onto them and expect them to serve you. Have fun growing your own food.

I got no problem. But I'm no such discriminatory asshole like whoever you pretend to call and I will continue to give gays cakes except for wedding cakes. And you can't bitch about it neither as you are doing the fcking same thing.

**Iroscato** · July 23, 2015 at 9:35 am

(July 23, 2015 at 9:32 am)omnomnom Wrote:
(July 23, 2015 at 7:50 am)robvalue Wrote: I've just had a word with all the shops ever and now they're all refusing to serve Buddhists. Hope that's cool. It's their personal choice, don't put your bigot hate onto them and expect them to serve you. Have fun growing your own food.
I got no problem. But I'm no such discriminatory asshole like whoever you pretend to call and I will continue to give gays cakes except for wedding cakes. And you can't bitch about it neither as you are doing the fcking same thing.

It's spelt "fucking". As in "You are a fucking moron."

**rexbeccarox** · July 23, 2015 at 9:37 am

(July 23, 2015 at 9:24 am)omnomnom Wrote:
(July 23, 2015 at 9:07 am)rexbeccarox Wrote: I have a bunch of different thoughts:

1. I'm all for businesses serving or not serving whomever they want because I'm all for customers shopping wherever they want. I have no doubt the free market would take care of it, and the vocal and practicing bigots (OP) of the world would be forced to clean up their acts or pack it in due to lack of business. BUT:

2. We have anti-discrimination laws in the US. The law is what comes first, so, no omnom: you have no right to refuse service to a gay couple getting married, and the laws will take care of it.

3. Omnom, what if a man walked into your shop by himself and ordered a wedding cake? How would you know whether he was gay or straight? Are you going to refuse him service because he's possibly gay? Are you going to ask him about his sexual orientation?
Thanx you look like someone who's actually trying to understand what's going on.

No, I won't ask them "are you gay?" Gays can have cakes ANY CAKE they wanting my store. Birthday cakes, party cakes, whatever cakes BUT I'm just saying NO to the **WEDDING** cakes since I will violate my sexual conscience and beliefs big time for it by making it. (Probably pay for it in next rebirth too). Understand that it's not discrimination but my right to not condone it. I have fucking gay friends that are totally OK with my "we agree to disagree so don't expect a wedding cake" stance.

You didn't answer my question: what if a man walked into your shop by himself and ordered a wedding cake? How would you know whether he was gay or straight? Are you going to refuse him service because he's possibly gay? Are you going to ask him about his sexual orientation?

Thumpalumpacus · (This post was last modified: July 23, 2015 at 9:40 am by Thumpalumpacus.)

omnomnom Wrote:yeah but some judges actually were assholes and injust. You see my whole problem in the post was that gay extemist christian bakery lawsuit that won. I don't want gays doing such stuff to buddhists and other people tol.I wanted support so such stuff won't happen to me. I love gays but I don't condone their marriage and just want the freedom of belief there. Thank you for actually understanding I'm not some homophobe Christian nutter that wants to exterminate gays or something

I'm looking forward to the day when you are refused service because of your faith, and have another tantrum, this time about how you should be able to receive service no matter your personal beliefs.

~~omnomnom~~ · July 23, 2015 at 9:46 am

(July 23, 2015 at 9:32 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: Okay, omnom, let's break this down into brass tacks:

1) In what way is providing a cake for a gay couple's wedding an action that endorses that wedding?
2) Should any store owner be able to restrict what you do with an item they sold you after they sold it to you?

About #1: Doing that is basically me passively condoning gay marriage *to my conscience* and possibly even to the public. I have lived in India for at least 13 years and we don't do this new gay thing. How the fuck am I supposed to live and get a better reincarnation if peer pressuring assholes force me to go against my conscience? My religious beliefs and Liberty of Conscience are equally needed to be considered too you know. Man, why do people have to lawsuit me like "Klein Bakery Case" some time back over a simple religious conscience ordeal?

About #2:
Dude, they can do whatever the fuck they want a sold cake. But beforehand, If they ask me "Can you give me one for a wedding?" I say "no way". If I ignorantly gave a cake assuming it was a straight wedding and it turned out not be one its OK to my conscience because I did it ignorantly.

Understand that not every theist doesn't go around hating gays like a bunch of Christian assholes do. I don't care about this whole " fundamentalist vs gay war", and I don't hate gays either and I've said that in this thread millions of times.

Thumpalumpacus · July 23, 2015 at 9:48 am

(July 22, 2015 at 2:38 pm)Kitan Wrote: There is a huge difference between constitutional rights and being a discriminatory asshole based on silly religious beliefs, especially when the constitution clearly mentions the separation of church and state.

... and more especially when in the 14th Amendment the Constitution guarantees all people in America equal protection under the law. There is no exclusionary clause for gays. Here is the text of the pertinent passage. I have emboldened the relevant section:

Quote:All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv

Clearly, our OP has an impaired understanding of American law, which makes his frothing at the mouth all the more ridiculous. I sure hope he studies for his citizenship test .... at this rate, I'm not sure he'll pass.

~~omnomnom~~ · (This post was last modified: July 23, 2015 at 9:53 am by omnomnom.)

(July 23, 2015 at 9:40 am)Parkers Tan Wrote:
omnomnom Wrote:yeah but some judges actually were assholes and injust. You see my whole problem in the post was that gay extemist christian bakery lawsuit that won. I don't want gays doing such stuff to buddhists and other people tol.I wanted support so such stuff won't happen to me. I love gays but I don't condone their marriage and just want the freedom of belief there. Thank you for actually understanding I'm not some homophobe Christian nutter that wants to exterminate gays or something

I'm looking forward to the day when you are refused service because of your faith, and have another tantrum, this time about how you should be able to receive service no matter your personal beliefs.

Go ahead with your anti-Buddhist store. I don't fucking care. I'm not obcessed with your liberal war against Christians and Muslims every other Theist. But karma will get you for your bigotry, and it will get you hard as hell for your fucking intolerance just like it got some of the intolerant Christians and Muslims.

And I will savor that day when your discriminatory liberal bigot self-righteous hypocrite ass gets hooked in pain.

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