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RE: FUQ ~ Frequently Unasked Questions
August 3, 2015 at 5:34 pm
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Why isn't Mammon acknowledged much more often as the One True God that as a matter of factuality, far more people believe in than any other ??
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RE: FUQ ~ Frequently Unasked Questions
August 4, 2015 at 1:07 am
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(August 3, 2015 at 3:04 pm)Pyrrho Wrote: (August 3, 2015 at 2:22 pm)robvalue Wrote: Very nice questions.
The one that plagues me, and I fear will always plague me, is will it ever be possible for me to be sure anyone but me is real. I have virtually resigned myself to the answer being no. I can't see a way round it, but I live in hope.
Yet I don't let it stop me from treating all these possible figments of imagination as well as I would if they were real for certain 
What difference does it make if they really exist or not?
I mean that seriously.
It's the difference between real life and a computer game. I know the "people" in video games aren't real, as far as I can possibly tell, so I'm happy to do whatever I please to them for my own amusement.
It's an interesting question though, what if I knew for certain that no one else was actually experiencing anything at all? Would it change my behaviour, and if so, how? I think it would change my behaviour, although the details are rather sketchy. For example, secondary/long term concerns such as "the environment" would no longer matter very much to me. Also, I'd feel a great sense of relief that I can't hurt anyone except myself.
As for dealing with people and animals directly, it may well be the case that my behaviour doesn't change a whole lot simply because of the positive/negative responses I get from my actions; and if they are still going to "lock me up" for acting crazy, it's a real deterrent to me even if I decided I wanted to start acting that way. In a computer game, the "deterrents" are easily worked around.
But this isn't why it troubles me, or at least I don't think it is. I'm not exactly sure why it does trouble me... It isn't something constantly on my mind, it's something that I just come back to now and again. I've accepted it's a fruitless endeavour to try and answer it. We seem programmed to get the fuck on with it and not consider this too often.
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RE: FUQ ~ Frequently Unasked Questions
August 4, 2015 at 7:14 am
(August 3, 2015 at 5:34 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: 16.
Why isn't Mammon acknowledged much more often as the One True God that as a matter of factuality, far more people believe in than any other ??
Oh, it is.
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RE: FUQ ~ Frequently Unasked Questions
August 4, 2015 at 7:25 am
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I realized that if I'm the only real one, I can kill myself without any regrets should I reach that point.
But it would however depend on where I was headed after that, if this isn't "reality". Would where I woke up be better or worse?
I have too much time in my hands at the moment, and far too little energy to do much with it. I can't help but analyse things in this way, my brain doesn't ask my permission
This is only a very minor trouble, it's nothing in the grand scheme. I'm probably giving the impression that it's getting to me. It's really not, it's just a fascinating and scary idea that lurks in the background.
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RE: FUQ ~ Frequently Unasked Questions
August 4, 2015 at 10:57 am
(August 4, 2015 at 1:07 am)robvalue Wrote: (August 3, 2015 at 3:04 pm)Pyrrho Wrote: What difference does it make if they really exist or not?
I mean that seriously.
It's the difference between real life and a computer game. I know the "people" in video games aren't real, as far as I can possibly tell, so I'm happy to do whatever I please to them for my own amusement.
It's an interesting question though, what if I knew for certain that no one else was actually experiencing anything at all? Would it change my behaviour, and if so, how? I think it would change my behaviour, although the details are rather sketchy. For example, secondary/long term concerns such as "the environment" would no longer matter very much to me. Also, I'd feel a great sense of relief that I can't hurt anyone except myself.
As for dealing with people and animals directly, it may well be the case that my behaviour doesn't change a whole lot simply because of the positive/negative responses I get from my actions; and if they are still going to "lock me up" for acting crazy, it's a real deterrent to me even if I decided I wanted to start acting that way. In a computer game, the "deterrents" are easily worked around.
But this isn't why it troubles me, or at least I don't think it is. I'm not exactly sure why it does trouble me... It isn't something constantly on my mind, it's something that I just come back to now and again. I've accepted it's a fruitless endeavour to try and answer it. We seem programmed to get the fuck on with it and not consider this too often.
You know your life is very different from the computer games that you play (that you know are computer games), because you will get locked up for playing the 'reality game' in certain ways. You do not get a reset button or an option to play a different game. You are stuck with the one 'game' for life.
I wrote about something similar in another thread:
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It will help if you read the post at the link above before proceeding in reading this post.
If I 'knew' that my life was a computer simulation instead of being 'real,' I personally would do EXACTLY the same things I do now, because all of the consequences for me would be the same as they are now.
Do you want to see the 'simulation of your wife' crying? Would that make you happy? If not, then you, too, might want to do exactly the same things, regardless of whether your life is 'really' a computer simulation or not.
I really do not see any reason to behave differently. The ONLY things that make different behaviors reasonable would involve differences in what is observable. If everything is observably the same, then the same actions make sense, regardless of any unobservable differences.
"A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence."
— David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Section X, Part I.
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RE: FUQ ~ Frequently Unasked Questions
August 4, 2015 at 12:00 pm
Pyrrho: I get what you're saying. I agree, I probably wouldn't change my behaviour very much. But I do make a lot of effort to lessen my negative impact on the world in general, in ways which don't benefit me at all. If I knew there is no real future to preserve for anyone, I would worry a lot less about doing that kind of stuff.
There's also a very real chance I'd go kill myself right away, if I thought it meant I'd get finally get some peace. The only things stopping me right now are how it would hurt those who would be left behind. Since there wouldn't be anyone, there would be nothing stopping me.
This is all kind of an indication of the danger of "feeling certain" about things.
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