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What technology/knowledge could you bring to the Middle Ages?
#41
RE: What technology/knowledge could you bring to the Middle Ages?
(September 7, 2015 at 5:05 pm)Chuck Wrote: They are not ready to use hygiene, much less steam engine, if these were dropped before their faces.  The Romans had both hygiene and labor saving technologies like large scale waterworks.   Men besotted by high Christianity had no use for them.

If I can bring a technology back, it would have to be a disruptive technology that they would actually strongly be tempted to use.    As with any fellowers of religions of piece, men of the middleages would enjoying destroying the works of their fellowmen second only to killing their fellow men.

So I would bring back gunpowder.   This I can guaranty they would use, and it would let the peasants topple men on horses and hasten the end of the disgusting middleages.
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#42
RE: What technology/knowledge could you bring to the Middle Ages?
5 pages and no one's yet mentioned the scientific method??

You'd bring the Enlightenment forward by over 600 years and everything else would follow. Hygiene, agriculture, the printing press, democracy, the downfall of religion, all the sciences etc.

I suspect that the scientific method has been independently discovered several times throughout history but either religion and dogma kept killing it or some small group got rich off it and then forgot it when they no longer needed it.

I do remember doing an on-line quiz many years ago that referred to the an episode of the Outer Limits once where some guy went back in time and found that he only had knowledge of how to use modern day technology and didn't know any of the basics that would actually be useful, like how to make cement. I think the quiz graded you on how far civilisation would progress based on the number of correct answers you chose.
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#43
RE: What technology/knowledge could you bring to the Middle Ages?
(September 7, 2015 at 5:08 pm)Chuck Wrote: They are not ready to use hygiene, much less steam engine, if these were dropped before their faces.  The Romans had both hygiene and labor saving technologies like large scale waterworks.   Men besotted by high Christianity had no use for them.

If I can bring a technology back, it would have to be a disruptive technology that they would actually strongly be tempted to use.    As with any fellowers of religions of piece, men of the middleages would enjoying destroying the works of their fellowmen second only to killing their fellow men.

So I would bring back gunpowder.   This I can guaranty they would use, and it would let the peasants topple men on horses and hasten the end of the disgusting middleages.

They had gunpowder in the mid-to-late Middle Ages, after trade contact with the far East and through the Muslim nations. In fact, at the seige of Harfleur, depicted in Shakespeare's Henry V, a cannon made the famous breach in the wall that the king exhorted his men to enter: "once more into the breach... or let us close up the wall with our English dead." And even if you brought back knowledge of how to make guncotton or some other more-modern powder, they simply lacked the metallurgical technology through most of the MA to allow anyone to make the necessarily-precise castings to use the modern powders in modern bullets (or to make new barrels/receivers/springs, if you melted yours or otherwise damaged the weapon I'm assuming you'd bring back with you).

Odds are, if you brought the Scientific Method back, you'd have to be particularly careful about to what year it was taken. The "dark ages" did not occur from a lack of knowledge, which is why the old "Roman engineering" ruins became, well, ruins. If you seemed to know too much, you would stand a good chance of making a religious leader feel threatened with your knowledge, and would wind up tied to a stake above a very warm patch of kindling. Or just stoned to death. And not in the good way. Wink

I'd bring back solid knowledge of the printing press, about 1000 years before Gutenberg (1440 C.E.), and do my best to encourage literacy during the declining years of the Roman Empire but before the full rise of the priesthood's total dominance of culture. I would be careful to work with the church to print the Vulgate en masse, and if I could not receive permission from the Pope to use "my" invention on Latin Vulgate Bibles on behalf of the church, I would try to print things like Farmer's Almanacs which contained tidbits of scientific thinking that would be unlikely to land me in hot water--or hot kindling--with authorities.

Edit to Add: I see from the OP that I don't get a choice of year... it's the 11th century or nothing. Got it. Still would bring back the Press, and would be even more careful about what I wrote.
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#44
RE: What technology/knowledge could you bring to the Middle Ages?
Cluster bombs to the Middle East...

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#45
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(September 7, 2015 at 6:38 pm)Beccs Wrote: Cluster bombs to the Middle East...

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Ha! Go into the future, and then take back one of the assault shuttles from Aliens...

"Take off and nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost

I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.

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#46
RE: What technology/knowledge could you bring to the Middle Ages?
I'm with the opinion that the whole concept is flawed. It takes generations to slowly accept advances. They would just reject whatever it is that you brought back. They'd probably kill you for being a wizard or blasphemer.
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#47
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If "Dynamo" went back, we'd all be praying to the god "Dynamo".
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#49
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(September 7, 2015 at 9:57 pm)brian1570 Wrote: I'm with the opinion that the whole concept is flawed. It takes generations to slowly accept advances. They would just reject whatever it is that you brought back. They'd probably kill you for being a wizard or blasphemer.

Did you miss the part of the OP where the Entity responsible ensures people simply take onboard your advice and knowledge and don't murder you? Tongue
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Willy Wonka's factory. Bring a little joy into a mostly horrible and short existence.
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