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7 Points of a Godless Life
September 1, 2015 at 8:22 am
Without god I am…
1. Free to let reality be what it is instead of trying to shoehorn it into what I’ve been told I have to believe
2. Free of the cognitive dissonance that comes from trying to shoehorn reality into what I’ve been told I have to believe
3. Free to explore real answers to my problems instead of blaming stuff on the devil and waiting for god to answer my prayers in his time which might not be until the sun goes nova
4. Free to explore various ideas and decide for myself if something makes sense and is an acceptable conclusion.
5. Free from having to adhere to what the Church currently categorizes as sin
6. Free from making myself vulnerable by forgiving people who are intent on doing me harm.
7. Free to socialize with some of the most intelligent and interesting people this planet has to offer.
In other words, without god, I’m FREE
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
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RE: 7 Points of a Godless Life
September 1, 2015 at 8:26 am
AMEN SISTER!
No God, No fear.
Know God, Know fear.
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RE: 7 Points of a Godless Life
September 1, 2015 at 9:05 am
(September 1, 2015 at 8:22 am)Rhondazvous Wrote: Without god I am…
1. Free to let reality be what it is instead of trying to shoehorn it into what I’ve been told I have to believe
2. Free of the cognitive dissonance that comes from trying to shoehorn reality into what I’ve been told I have to believe
3. Free to explore real answers to my problems instead of blaming stuff on the devil and waiting for god to answer my prayers in his time which might not be until the sun goes nova
4. Free to explore various ideas and decide for myself if something makes sense and is an acceptable conclusion.
5. Free from having to adhere to what the Church currently categorizes as sin
6. Free from making myself vulnerable by forgiving people who are intent on doing me harm.
7. Free to socialize with some of the most intelligent and interesting people this planet has to offer.
In other words, without god, I’m FREE
1. Not true. we all shoe horn reality in what we currently believe. The only difference between a believer doing this and a non believer doing the same thing, is what the non-believer is shoe horning changes from generation to generation.
2.see above
3.I agree blaming the devil is stupid way to live life. However we all have to wait on opportunity to present itself before a true resolution to any real problem is avaible. now whether your attribute that resolution to God or your own efforts is the only real difference
4.What book Chapter and verse says you can not do this as a believer?
5.So too are all bible based Christians. The identification of sin is the only purpose of the Law, so as lead one to repentance.
6.So basically you want to hold a grudge on any one you like so long as you can justify it by deeming someone wanting to do you harm. Understand true forgiveness only means you are willing to forgo reprocussions afforded to you by the one who has done you wrong. It does not mean you have to remain in a position to be at someone's mercy or pretend that person has done nothing wrong to you.
7.I guess that all depends on what you mean by 'socialize.' In a platonic way I am also free to socialize with anyone I wish. However I do not feel the need to socialize with everyone.
And that is true freedom. I am free from the chains of sin, free from the chains of social demands, I am allowed to have a right and wrong EVEN if it offends those who do wrong, I am able to forgive those who have done me great wrong, and not ever thing or dewell on them again. Not only am I Free I am at peace. I am content, and I am very happy with my life. Why? Because I have the oppsite of what makes you think you are 'free.'
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RE: 7 Points of a Godless Life
September 1, 2015 at 9:12 am
Why does it always have to be a blueprint with some of you guys?
I never even bothered to reflect on what had changed when I no longer believed. Not that much, actually. It also wasn't something like a cut for me, but a very gradual process over a span of two decades.
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RE: 7 Points of a Godless Life
September 1, 2015 at 9:14 am
The OP gives us a good example of atheist wishful thinking. If there is no god you can do as you please to serve yourself without having to worry about trivialities like justice or truth. You live, you die, the end. How comforting it must feel not having to worry about the ultimate consequences of your life and never being held into account. I can see the appeal of atheism for people with no sense of responsibility beyond themselves.
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RE: 7 Points of a Godless Life
September 1, 2015 at 9:28 am
Meh, if the particular brand of xtian belief one was born into was particularly unpleasant to bear I can see how getting free of it would be liberating, hence the OP. But there are plenty of people who experience the loss of belief as unpleasant, Jacob comes to mind. For him and many others, belief was a comforting blanket and one they miss a lot. So don't be too quick to paint yourselves as responsible, Chad. Plenty of you appear to be clutching it for reassurance and comfort. Whatever.
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RE: 7 Points of a Godless Life
September 1, 2015 at 9:35 am
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(September 1, 2015 at 9:14 am)ChadWooters Wrote: The OP gives us a good example of atheist wishful thinking.
Only if you take his opinion to be the atheist dogma. Which of course you do, regardless of what people already said in response. Makes things nice and tidy. No brainpower involved.
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RE: 7 Points of a Godless Life
September 1, 2015 at 9:39 am
Whateverist, as an atheist I felt very liberated in the way expressed by the OP. But it was a lie, a very attractive one at that. My point is that atheists accuse believers of needing an emotional crutch but the opposite is just as true: atheism is not without its own security blanket - the oblivion that erases all regrets.
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RE: 7 Points of a Godless Life
September 1, 2015 at 9:44 am
(September 1, 2015 at 9:39 am)ChadWooters Wrote: Whateverist, as an atheist I felt very liberated in the way expressed by the OP. But it was a lie, a very attractive one at that. My point is that atheists accuse believers of needing an emotional crutch but the opposite is just as true: atheism is not without its own security blanket - the oblivion that erases all regrets.
Again, if you believe in an atheist dogma, which is the stupid thing to do. Many of us don't and that's why I was more or less callling the OP out on his line of thinking, which I, personally, don't support. It doesn't play any role in my life and I refuse to be associated with it. Even by proxy, as in calling it 7 steps to a godless life. I am godless, but I never looked at any blueprint to confirm that way of life.
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RE: 7 Points of a Godless Life
September 1, 2015 at 11:09 am
(September 1, 2015 at 9:44 am)abaris Wrote: Again, if you believe in an atheist dogma, which is the stupid thing to do. Many of us don't and that's why I was more or less callling the OP out on his line of thinking, which I, personally, don't support. It doesn't play any role in my life and I refuse to be associated with it. Even by proxy, as in calling it 7 steps to a godless life. I am godless, but I never looked at any blueprint to confirm that way of life. Abaris,
That was not my intention to make a list of steps. This is just a list of things that many atheist experience. 7 is just an arbitrary number that signifies what points I came up with in one sitting. Putting things in a list is just the way I chose to organize my thoughts. It's not an exhaustive list and certainly not an all inclusive lit of what every atheist experiences. You may notice I used the pronoun "I," leaving others to post what atheism means to them.
BTW, you called the op out on HER line of thinking. I've made no secret that I have 2 X chromosomes.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
--Voltaire
Nietzsche isn't dead. How do I know he lives? He lives in my mind.
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