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#Blacklivesmat
#11
RE: #Blacklivesmat
#Blacklives matter is specifically for the issue of police brutality against black people. Why would they focus on gang killings when that's not their purpose?
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#12
RE: #Blacklivesmat
"Black lives matter" has an implied "also". You're arguing against thin air with "all lives matter". Nobody disagrees with that.
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#13
RE: #Blacklivesmat
Right, so black lives only matter when there is the possibility of racism involved as a motivation for the killing?

And please don't generalise situations like Zimmerman and others like that as just racism. These cases need to be evaluated case by case. It's not as black and white as: he had a gun, the black guy didn't, this was wrong.
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#14
#Blacklivesmat
Just sayin.

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#15
RE: #Blacklivesmat
(September 1, 2015 at 8:51 pm)Exian Wrote: "Black lives matter" has an implied "also". You're arguing against thin air with "all lives matter". Nobody disagrees with that.

If it weren't for the actions or 'non-actions' of the movement, I would agree with you on the 'also' part.
I'm saying that what it looks like to me is this: 'black lives matter too, but only when white people take them'
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'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House

“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom

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#16
RE: #Blacklivesmat
(September 1, 2015 at 8:53 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: And please don't generalise situations like Zimmerman and others like that as just racism.

No, given Zimmerman's record after he got off, he's a walking time bomb. Waiting to go off. If his motifes were racist hasn't been determined, but he's not picky choosy when he's drawing his gun.

But Zimmerman isn't the only one, or is he?
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#17
RE: #Blacklivesmat
Jeez Kusa at least I didn't actually offer any stats to back up what I said and didn't supply the source. At least post a link to prove those stats aren't made up.
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'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House

“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom

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#18
RE: #Blacklivesmat
(September 1, 2015 at 8:53 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: Right, so black lives only matter when there is the possibility of racism involved as a motivation for the killing?

And please don't generalise situations like Zimmerman and others like that as just racism. These cases need to be evaluated case by case. It's not as black and white as: he had a gun, the black guy didn't, this was wrong.

This is frustrating.

#Blacklivesmatter was founded as a result of police brutality, no matter the race of the cop, happened as a result of racism. Why is this so hard to understand? The point of it is the police brutality against black people. That is the specific thing they're protesting.
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#19
RE: #Blacklivesmat
The BLM movement doesn't have "more" attached to it. It's not "black lives matter more," rather "black lives matter as well." When two groups of armed people kill each other like gang violence, yes that is sad, but they were armed against each other. When police are killing unarmed people of color at an alarming rate, the movement happens.

While I disagree with a lot of their methods, their message is necessary to raise consciousnesses.
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#20
RE: #Blacklivesmat
(September 1, 2015 at 8:56 pm)abaris Wrote: No, given Zimmerman's record after he got off, he's a walking time bomb. Waiting to go off. If his motifes were racist hasn't been determined, but he's not picky choosy when he's drawing his gun.

But Zimmerman isn't the only one, or is he?

Yea, Zimmerman is a nutcase, I still don't think there is enough evidence to suggest that the shooting was motivated by racism, but he isn't a very nice person non the less. It wasn't a good example to go with for me.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain

'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House

“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom

"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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