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RE: What is a god?
December 14, 2008 at 10:08 am
To understand how from simple building blocks complexity can arise is hard and mind boggling. But to understand how bigger complexity constitutes an explanation for complexity defies all logic.
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RE: What is a god?
December 14, 2008 at 10:27 am
(December 14, 2008 at 10:18 am)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: Exactly
If God created the universe and all complexity and its fine-tuning. He must be more complex, fine-tuned and improbable than the universe itself. God is more of a problem and more improbable than the universe. It of course does no good to simply say God was "always there".
Would it do good to say that I was always he? Without an explanation?
If God does exist he WOULD need an explanation. He would have to have evolved or developed over long periods of time in some way.
The only way he could be there right from the start is if he was an extremely (or even ultimately) simple, completely mindless thing that wasn't alive at all. The origin of the universe(s). A singularity of some sort.
But if he's just a singularity there's no reason to call 'him' God is there? He's not a he he's an it. 'He's' a singularity or whatever. To call 'him' God and to call 'him' him is totally misleading.
If God is the origin of the universe he wouldn't really be 'God' at all. There's no reason to call him God. He's not supernatural and he's not a 'he'.
It is hard to disagree with you EvF, and believe me I'm trying over here. Maybe Daystar can help us out and explain again, preferably with his strong circular logic how Zeus=Zeus is not true and <my petty god>= <my petty god> IS.
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RE: What is a god?
December 14, 2008 at 4:20 pm
(This post was last modified: December 14, 2008 at 4:21 pm by Mystic Monkey.)
Firstly, what is a God?
A God is thought to be a superior living being that is alive in it's own dimension or existance and can grant and take life from it's "children".
That would be our planet Earth wouldn't it? Anyone remember 'MRS GREN' from Biology class in high School?
- Movement Spins and orbits like Saturday Night
- Resperation It has plenty of gasses that are inhaled and exhaled different ways.
- Sensetivity Our planet is being poisoned and it's effecting our environment drastically.
- Growth OK, this be hard to pin but I suppose us humans, animals, plants and other counts as our cells and bacteria in our body doing us good and bad.
- Reproduction Maybe not giving birth to a little Earth, but it does harbor lots of lives on it's surface being born and dying.
- Excretion When it gives off heat and energy out into space.
- Nutrition When it takes in heat from the sun and ofcourse it takes back in those who have died.
So in a sense this planet is the closest an Atheist can get to a God. After all we humans are not fit to live in the emptiness of space or other planets without special protection.
Plus the old saying that "Water is the Element of Life." 71% of Earth is water.
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RE: What is a god?
December 14, 2008 at 9:43 pm
On the surface only according to QI. The huge majority of the mass of the earth is not water. The mass of the land is 40 times greater than that of the oceans.
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RE: What is a god?
January 6, 2009 at 8:45 am
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Oh, Christ worshipers! A Poem Refuting Christianity
Oh, Christ worshipers! We want an answer to our question from your wise.
If the Lord was murdered by some people’s act…what sort of god is this?
We wonder! Was He pleased by what they did Him? If yes,
blessed be they..they achieved the pleasure of His
But if He was discontented….this means their power subjugated His!!
Was the whole entity left without a Sustainer… so who answered the prayers?
Were the heavens vacated…when He laid under the ground somewheres?
Were all the worlds left without a God…to manage while His hands were nailed?
Why did not the angles help Him when they heard him while he wailed?
How could the rods stand to bear the True Lord when He was fastened
How could the iron reach Him and His body pinioned?
How could His enemies’ hands reach Him and slap His rear
And was Christ revived by himself…or the Reviver was another god?
What a sight it is!A grave that enclosed a god!
What’s more weird is the belly that had Him in it!
He stayed there for nine months in utter darkness…fed by blood!
Then he got out of the womb as a small baby,
weak and gaping to be breastfed!
He ate and drank, and did what that naturally resulted in. 1
Is this a god??!!
High Exalted be Allah above the lies of Christians
All of them will be held accountable for their libels
Oh cross worshipers…for what reason is it exalted
and blamed who rejects it?
Is it not the logic to break and burn it along with the one who innovated it?2
Since the Lord was crucified on it…and his hands were fastened to it?
That is really a cursed cross to carry…so discard it
Don’t kiss it!
The Lord was abused on it…and you adore it?
So you are one of His enemies!!
If you extol it because it carried the Lord of the worlds
why don’t you prostrate yourself and worship graves,
since the grave contained your god in it?
So, Christ worshiper, open your eyes,
this is what the matter is all about. 4
Footnotes
1- Urination and defecation
2- Paul of Tarsus. Founder of Trinity faith.
3- Don't glorify it
4- Since you, as a Christian abhor the idea of worshipping a grave,
how come you find it o.k. to worship the cross
sorry lol
