The Long and the Short of it.

[fr0d0]

Atheists just don't know jack right?

[Dotard]

I know jack. He lives in a box and sells good burgers at reasonable prices.

What's that got to do with anything?

[Zen Badger]

No objective evidence for god or gods, simple as that.

And while I'm of the opinion that people are free to believe whatever they like.

I will take exeption when they use that belief to try to invalidate reality.

Evolution, the age of the universe etc.

[fr0d0]

So much bollocks about the objective evidence thing. Get a brain atheists

[Shell B]

So much bollocks about the objective evidence thing. Get a brain atheists

I thought we were in here simply stating why we do or don't believe, not displaying your inability to see reason.

[Zen Badger]

So much bollocks about the objective evidence thing. Get a brain atheists

That is my answer Frodo.

There is no requirement that you have to like it.

[KichigaiNeko]

I have never had any evidence personally that this judeo/islamic/xtian god(s) exist.

I look around the world and see the many being shot and tortured in the name of this deity and take THAT as evidence that this god(s) thing does not exist.

I see perfectly normal and nice people go into this "church" thingy" and come out as murderous, incoherent, megalomaniacs and take THAT as evidence that this god(s) thingy does not exist, but...

Man's inhumanity to man DOES exist and would desperately NEED a philosophical structure like religion to control and condone the amount of abuse inflicted with a get of gaol free card.

'cos sure as hell: Puny little man thing can't control himself..

[Minimalist]

and take THAT as evidence that this god(s) thing does not exist.

Or....if it does exist...it is evidence that it is terribly ineffective as any sort of 'god.'

[KichigaiNeko]

and take THAT as evidence that this god(s) thing does not exist.

Or....if it does exist...it is evidence that it is terribly ineffective as any sort of 'god.'

I was trying to just keep to my own personal reality here Min.

This god(s) thingy just doesn't figure in my universe.

End of Statement.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

Yes indeed,atheists and theists world wide argue about the existence of god(s).

This atheist does not argue with apologists,although he has been known to question,ridicule and abuse some on atheists forums. This is in the vindictive spirit of tit-for-tat,based on the way atheists are treated on Christian forums. (Muslim forums are just plain scary, those fuckers make real death threats)


My position:

"I don't believe due to lack of evidence. You believe and want me to believe? fine;show you evidence. You don't have any ? Stop wasting my time and go away"

"Your God is unprovable and unfalsifiable? Fine; there is no reason for me to believe apart from perhaps wishful thinking. Stop wasting my time and go away"

This is not a complex issue for me. I have no interest in the sophistry which claims disprove the existence of gods through logic,nor the sophistry of the theologian, which I consider even more intellectually arrogant,not to mention dishonest.

My response to the the theist who tries to challenge my position:I make no claims, the burden of proof is yours. ut up or shut up. Since no one has managed to do so in recorded history,I'm not holding my breath.