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[Napoléon]

Why don't we just simplify it further and call them all "baddies"?

[Deepthunk]

Calling Hitler left or right wing is pretty simplistic.  And the comparison to USian conservatives is pretty stupid.

Boru

Yeah stupid and have a whole bunch of money ready to hit the go to war button.

well, I don't know about that but you were right as rain with your first post, in fact here's a list a things hitler himself said that are identical to G.O.P. rhetoric,

"The National Government will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the basis of national life."
— Adolf Hitler, Berlin, 1933, first radio address after coming to power.

"The national Government sees in both Christian denominations the most important factor for the maintenance of our society."
— Adolf Hitler, speech at the Reichstag, March 1933

"Secular schools can never be tolerated because such a school has no religious instruction and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith ... We need believing people."
— Adolf Hitler, April 1933, from a speech made during negotiations leading to the Nazi-Vatican Concordat of 1933

"I am personally convinced of the great power and deep significance of Christianity, and I won't allow any other religion to be promoted."
— Adolf Hitler

"Today Christians ... stand at the head of [this country]... I pledge that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity .. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit ... We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theater, and in the press - in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess during the past ... (few) years."
— Adolf Hitler, quoted in: The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1

We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations; we have stamped it out."
— Adolf Hitler, speech on October 24, 1933

There's a whole list of relevant quotes here http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/Quotes.htm

P.S. that's a real atheist website, so if you get the time you should start on http://www.godlessgeeks.com and just start reading, and don't be discouraged by any naysayers, there's a bunch of Christians on this forum posing as atheists, they actually do this online a lot I've noticed.

[rexbeccarox]

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Yeah stupid and have a whole bunch of money ready to hit the go to war button.

well, I don't know about that but you were right as rain with your first post, in fact here's a list a things hitler himself said  that are identical to G.O.P. rhetoric,

"The National Government will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the basis of national life."
— Adolf Hitler, Berlin, 1933, first radio address after coming to power.

"The national Government sees in both Christian denominations the most important factor for the maintenance of our society."
— Adolf Hitler, speech at the Reichstag, March 1933

"Secular schools can never be tolerated because such a school has no religious instruction and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith ... We need believing people."
— Adolf Hitler, April 1933, from a speech made during negotiations leading to the Nazi-Vatican Concordat of 1933

"I am personally convinced of the great power and deep significance of Christianity, and I won't allow any other religion to be promoted."
— Adolf Hitler

"Today Christians ... stand at the head of [this country]... I pledge that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity .. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit ... We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theater, and in the press - in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess during the past ... (few) years."
— Adolf Hitler, quoted in: The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1

We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations; we have stamped it out."
— Adolf Hitler, speech on October 24, 1933

There's a whole list of relevant quotes here http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/Quotes.htm

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P.S. that's a real atheist website, so if you get the time you should start on http://www.godlessgeeks.com and just start reading, and don't be discouraged by any naysayers, there's a bunch of Christians on this forum posing as atheists, they actually do this online a lot I've noticed.

Care to back up that assertion? I'm pretty sure you think that because a lot of people here disagree *gasp* with your HUGE blanket statements and strawmen.

ETA: gahds, that website is ghastly.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

well, I don't know about that but you were right as rain with your first post, in fact here's a list a things hitler himself said that are identical to G.O.P. rhetoric,

You've only done half your job. Find quotes - with citations, natch - of US republicans that are identical (your word) to the Hitler quotes you posted. Not similar, not expressing a general feeling, but identical.

I await your response with torpid disinterest.

Boru

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Yeah stupid and have a whole bunch of money ready to hit the go to war button.

Yes, Hitler was fond of war, and current USians on the right seem to approve of war as a foreign policy.  This is news?

Hitler also favoured gun control, abortion, social welfare, free education, and a raft of other issues that today we would describe as 'leftist' policies.  But this didn't make Hitler a leftist in the modern sense of the word any more than his warmongering made him a 'right wing extremist' in the same vein as some in the US.  Where do you find GOP policies advocating internment/murder camps, wars for liebensraum, and the genocide of 'inferior races'?

Don't mistake my meaning - I'm no fan of Hitler or Nazism.  The world would be a happier place is this megalomaniacal horror of a human being had been drowned at birth.  Nor am I fan of conservatism or conservative policies in the US or anywhere else in the world.  I'm so liberal, I make Minimalist look like Margaret Thatcher (no offense Min, just a sliding scale    ).

But the constant equating of people we dislike with Adolf Hitler is beginning to get right up me hooter.  You know who was like Hitler?  Hitler.

Boru

But if Hitler hadn't existed chances are we wouldn't exist either.

[Reforged]

Our entire economy is dependent on war. The arms trade, the drug trade, trade sanctions. Everything from the materials used to make our electronics to how cheap our coffee is stems from the many proxy wars and conflicts that we have either participated in or sparked off and the ripples they have sent out there in the big wide world. If such a large portion of the third world wasn't run by dictators willing to subjugate their people and give us fantastic deals on their natural resources you wouldn't be typing on a computer right now. You wouldn't have a nice fridge with nice food in it. You wouldn't have the latest iphone. You wouldn't get paid nearly as much as you do. Those are the spoils of war and I don't see anyone rejecting them.
Thats the plain simple truth which noone wants to deal with and noone would get into office by openly admitting;
Without a war economy you don't get a first world.

[Deepthunk]

Care to back up that assertion? I'm pretty sure you think that because a lot of people here disagree *gasp* with your HUGE blanket statements and strawmen.

ETA: gahds, that website is ghastly.

Saying that hitler was a catholic is not a "blanket" statement, saying it is proves you don't even understand what the words "blanket statement" mean, your just using it because you've heard people note the prejudiced individuals make blanket statements so your using the term even though I'm not making one because it sounds good to you.

Oh, and 87% of the german population was christian when the nazi's were voted in, this is a historical fact not a blanket statement, and every single nazi was a christian because the nazi's required people to be christian to join, its not a blanket statement, its historical fact.

In the post your quoting there are a ton of references, those photos of hitler meeting with high level officials from the Vatican are not "straw men", nor is a thing true simply because you say it. in other words you might use that political term because its a favorite of the republicans, but again, you dont even know what it means as your using it well out of proper context.

lastly, I said this elsewhere, but I want to make sure you dont miss it so I say it again.

One of the worst aspects of religious prejudice is the way religious bigots will often just sit around making up excuses for their hate that really just amount to false accusation after false accusation. Like Pat Robertson claiming gay people have special rings with hidden needles that prick people and give them aids, or the little religious cartoon books Christians often put in phones booths and other public places which claim things like witches are abducting children’s pets to sacrifice to the devil, or the flagrantly false claim that every dictator in history was an atheist.

It’s plain as day why these statements are bigoted and intended solely to spread irrational hatred, and it is furthermore plain to see that these statements are false, yet religious people just repeat these and a hundred other similarly prejudice claims again and again without any concern that their false.

Now in light of the above, can you see why it angers and frustrates me to have a room supposedly full of atheist ignore the plain fact that hitler was a catholic when a mountain of evidence that this is true is placed right before you, and instead you search for any thread of an excuse to claim it’s not so and validate the false religious propaganda spread by people who hate the person you claim to be?

Can you see why I would think that some of you are not the atheists or agnostics you claim to be?

Or are you self-hating atheists and agnostics?

[Deepthunk]

ETA: gahds, that website is ghastly.

P.S. I'm sorry its not as flashy as TBN.com but we are one of the smallest religious minorities in the country and the world, we just don't have great resources.

never the less you will not find anyone there claiming hitler was one of this incredibly small religious minorities, but you will find a mountain of facts that demonstrate that he was a devout catholic, as he said he was.

[Losty]

ETA: gahds, that website is ghastly.

P.S. I'm sorry its not as flashy as TBN.com but we are one of the smallest religious minorities in the country and the world, we just don't have great resources.

never the less you will not find anyone there claiming hitler was one of this incredibly small religious minorities, but you will find a mountain of facts that demonstrate that he was a devout catholic, as he said he was.

What religion are you?

[rexbeccarox]

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Care to back up that assertion? I'm pretty sure you think that because a lot of people here disagree *gasp* with your HUGE blanket statements and strawmen.

ETA: gahds, that website is ghastly.

Saying that hitler was a catholic is not a "blanket" statement, saying it is proves you don't even understand what the words "blanket statement" mean, your just using it because you've heard people note the prejudiced individuals make blanket statements so your using the term even though I'm not making one because it sounds good to you.

Oh, and 87% of the german population was christian when the nazi's were voted in, this is a historical fact not a blanket statement, and every single nazi was a christian because the nazi's required people to be christian to join, its not a blanket statement, its historical fact.

In the post your quoting there are a ton of references, those photos of hitler meeting with high level officials from the Vatican are not "straw men", nor is a thing true simply because you say it. in other words you might use that political term because its a favorite of the republicans, but again, you dont even know what it means as your using it well out of proper context.

lastly, I said this elsewhere, but I want to make sure you dont miss it so I say it again.

One of the worst aspects of religious prejudice is the way religious bigots will often just sit around making up excuses for their hate that really just amount to false accusation after false accusation. Like Pat Robertson claiming gay people have special rings with hidden needles that prick people and give them aids, or the little religious cartoon books Christians often put in phones booths and other public places which claim things like witches are abducting children’s pets to sacrifice to the devil, or the flagrantly false claim that every dictator in history was an atheist.

It’s plain as day why these statements are bigoted and intended solely to spread irrational hatred, and it is furthermore plain to see that these statements are false, yet religious people just repeat these and a hundred other similarly prejudice claims again and again without any concern that their false.

Now in light of the above, can you see why it angers and frustrates me to have a room supposedly full of atheist ignore the plain fact that hitler was a catholic when a mountain of evidence that this is true is placed right before you, and instead you search for any thread of an excuse to claim it’s not so and validate the false religious propaganda spread by people who hate the person you claim to be?

Can you see why I would think that some of you are not the atheists or agnostics you claim to be?

Or are you self-hating atheists and agnostics?

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You need to chill, or you're going to have a stroke.

I wasn't referring to your assertion that Hitler was a Catholic, or that all Nazis were Christians (others have done just fine on that); I was talking about your assertion that there are a bunch of Christians here posing as atheists. It's insulting and you're wrong. Simple as. You don't get to tell people what they believe, how they think, or what to do, even if they disagree with you.

No, I can't see why you would think people aren't who they claim to be, nor does your disagreement with people indicate their self-hate. You are the one with the problem here. Why bother starting a thread/ discussion if you're just going to strawman anyone who disagrees with you?