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December 6, 2015 at 11:35 am (This post was last modified: December 6, 2015 at 11:37 am by Athene.)
(December 6, 2015 at 11:14 am)DespondentFishdeathMasochismo Wrote:
(December 6, 2015 at 11:06 am)Thena323 Wrote:
I got that you felt very strongly about the issue and your revulsion for the woman was apparent. Not bad. Once I read the second contents box is I could imagine the average person raising his or her eyebrows. People could easily go from thinking "Yeah. Fuck that Kim Davis! She is a monster!" to "What hell's wrong with this guy?". The violent imagery was unnecessarily serial-killerish. I don't think you should change your manner of writing/speaking altogether. Maybe dial it back about 20% when you're angry, just to be certain that a good/valid point doesn't get lost.
I'm sick of good valid points getting lost on the basis of "credibility" or "how that makes someone feel". I'm just fucking dead, laying in a puddle of my own vomit, when it comes to my patience for dealing with this crap. I see on facebook, on pro lgbt blogs, on news feeds, hear people say homophobic shit all the time, then I can't express the fucking height of my frustration? No, sorry, people lack the philosophical comprehension. I literally, to sooth my fucking pain of thinking about the fucking lizard that is kim davis, just imagined her dying. It is FUCKING SYMBOLIC! It represents all of my anguish over this issue, just getting ripped to shreds. Do I believe in killing people NOOO!!! But fuck anyone who thinks I actually do. I'm sick of it, I'm sick of it, I'm sick of it. I hate this unintelligent, fucked up world that I live in. I just want to express my fucking emotions, but then they're capsulated in time, so people can make up whatever bullshit they want about me over it. Fuck me. Fuck my stupid life. I try hard to think things through on a philosophical level, but I am not without emotions. I feel fucking immense hatred for homophobes, when the burgeoning force of people like Kim Davis answers their hopes for a more regressed society. I fucking hate her and I wish she would fucking die in a pile of blood and guts! Why the fuck does that make me the bad guy? Huh?
No, it doesn't make you the bad guy. But, you can't post the detailed manner in which you'd like to see someone die online without raising eyebrows. If shocking people is your primary goal, that's fine. I was under the impression that you care about the issue and want people to have more compassion and understanding for LGBT teens. If that's the case you may want to find a way to inhibit blind anger from drowning an otherwise legitimate argument.
December 6, 2015 at 11:40 am (This post was last modified: December 6, 2015 at 11:56 am by DespondentFishdeathMasochismo.)
(December 6, 2015 at 11:32 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Then get used to people thinking less of you, and ignoring your points.
Tough world, kid.
As an aside: hatred is almost always a wasted emotion, especially when spent on a stranger.
I tried to start a thread on this tbh. I think there's a lot of people who think they wish someone was fucking dead, but they can't say it. We have a very arbitrary decision whether or not we say we wish someone was dead. I just happened to be saying what many other people are thinking, yet I have to spare it because of "human nature". I don't want to be human, you probably didn't even read what I wrote originally, you should be praising me for what I wrote. The fact that we get caught up in this semantic bullshit argument about "saying the hurtful mean words " is fucking redundant.
This argument troubles me so much, I actually called up my mom and asked her about this. I asked her why sometimes if you have a valid argument, that as soon as you say you wish the person was fucking dead your argument becomes invalid. I want to know how we get from point A) I make a good valid claim; to point B) valid claim is rejected because of feelings and mistrust. It's fucking confounding to me and all my mom was able to do was get upset at me, tell me that I'm having a philosophical argument, when all she's trying to say is "it makes people paranoid in this day and age".
WHY??? Why do I have to care about whether or I am taken seriously? I said "people do a lot of fucked up shit to ruin the world, but you wouldn't blame a virus". I get the same hackneyed adage of "no human beings are not, they're much more complex". HOW???? How are we better than simple organic life or monkeys? What the fuck is the difference? You know what you people don't understand? I have a fucking mind; I am not satisfied with not saying how I actually feel. I won't feel comfortable not expressing what is on my mind, which I very ardently wish I can express, just because of some pseudo intellectual fucking bullshit.
(December 6, 2015 at 11:35 am)Thena323 Wrote:
(December 6, 2015 at 11:14 am)DespondentFishdeathMasochismo Wrote:
I'm sick of good valid points getting lost on the basis of "credibility" or "how that makes someone feel". I'm just fucking dead, laying in a puddle of my own vomit, when it comes to my patience for dealing with this crap. I see on facebook, on pro lgbt blogs, on news feeds, hear people say homophobic shit all the time, then I can't express the fucking height of my frustration? No, sorry, people lack the philosophical comprehension. I literally, to sooth my fucking pain of thinking about the fucking lizard that is kim davis, just imagined her dying. It is FUCKING SYMBOLIC! It represents all of my anguish over this issue, just getting ripped to shreds. Do I believe in killing people NOOO!!! But fuck anyone who thinks I actually do. I'm sick of it, I'm sick of it, I'm sick of it. I hate this unintelligent, fucked up world that I live in. I just want to express my fucking emotions, but then they're capsulated in time, so people can make up whatever bullshit they want about me over it. Fuck me. Fuck my stupid life. I try hard to think things through on a philosophical level, but I am not without emotions. I feel fucking immense hatred for homophobes, when the burgeoning force of people like Kim Davis answers their hopes for a more regressed society. I fucking hate her and I wish she would fucking die in a pile of blood and guts! Why the fuck does that make me the bad guy? Huh?
No, it doesn't make you the bad guy. But, you can't post the detailed manner in which you'd like to see someone die online without raising eyebrows. If shocking people is your primary goal, that's fine. I was under the impression that you care about the issue and want people to have more compassion and understanding for LGBT teens. If that's the case you may want to find a way to inhibit blind anger from drowning an otherwise legitimate argument.
I'm sorry, I really am. When I look at it that way, in the sense that it drowns out raising awareness for lgbt teens, that does actually make me feel bad. I can't take back what I said though, so what's the fucking point. I just feel fucking awful, I feel fucking awful about that bitch Kim Davis, but I feel awful that I'm just an ineffectual piece of shit. I'm just going to stop talking, I already ruined the fucking discourse of this thread.
(December 6, 2015 at 11:40 am)DespondentFishdeathMasochismo Wrote:
(December 6, 2015 at 11:32 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Then get used to people thinking less of you, and ignoring your points.
Tough world, kid.
As an aside: hatred is almost always a wasted emotion, especially when spent on a stranger.
I tried to start a thread on this tbh. I think there's a lot of people who think they wish someone was fucking dead, but they can't say it. We have a very arbitrary decision whether or not we say we wish someone was dead. I just happened to be saying what many other people are thinking, yet I have to spare it because of "human nature". I don't want to be human, you probably didn't even read what I wrote originally, you should be praising me for what I wrote. The fact that we get caught up in this semantic bullshit argument about "saying the hurtful mean words " is fucking redundant.
This argument troubles me so much, I actually called up my mom and asked her about this. I asked her why sometimes if you have a valid argument, that as soon as you say you wish the person was fucking dead your argument becomes invalid. I want to know how we get from point A) I make a good valid claim; to point B) valid claim is rejected because of feelings and mistrust. It's fucking confounding to me and all my mom was able to do was get upset at me, tell me that I'm having a philosophical argument, when all she's trying to say is "it makes people paranoid in this day and age".
WHY??? Why do I have to care about whether or I am taken seriously? I said "people do a lot of fucked up shit to ruin the world, but you wouldn't blame a virus". I get the same hackneyed adage of "no human beings are not, they're much more complex". HOW???? How are we better than simple organic life or monkeys? What the fuck is the difference? You know what you people don't understand? I have a fucking mind; I am not satisfied with not saying how I actually feel. I won't feel comfortable not expressing what is on my mind, which I very ardently wish I can express, just because of some pseudo intellectual fucking bullshit.
(December 6, 2015 at 11:35 am)Thena323 Wrote: No, it doesn't make you the bad guy. But, you can't post the detailed manner in which you'd like to see someone die online without raising eyebrows. If shocking people is your primary goal, that's fine. I was under the impression that you care about the issue and want people to have more compassion and understanding for LGBT teens. If that's the case you may want to find a way to inhibit blind anger from drowning an otherwise legitimate argument.
I'm sorry, I really am. When I look at it that way, in the sense that it drowns out raising awareness for lgbt teens, that does actually make me feel bad. I can't take back what I said though, so what's the fucking point. I just feel fucking awful, I feel fucking awful about that bitch Kim Davis, but I feel awful that I'm just an ineffectual piece of shit. I'm just going to stop talking, I already ruined the fucking discourse of this thread.
It doesn't have to be all or nothing. At least your trying. You should stick around.
(December 6, 2015 at 11:40 am)DespondentFishdeathMasochismo Wrote: I don't want to be human, you probably didn't even read what I wrote originally, you should be praising me for what I wrote.
Actually, I did read it.
(December 6, 2015 at 11:40 am)DespondentFishdeathMasochismo Wrote: I asked her why sometimes if you have a valid argument, that as soon as you say you wish the person was fucking dead your argument becomes invalid. I want to know how we get from point A) I make a good valid claim; to point B) valid claim is rejected because of feelings and mistrust.
Because if your ideas need violence to be enforced, then they're bad ideas; and if they don't need violence, your desire to see it inflicted, even as fantasy, says something about you that makes people uncomfortable.
(December 6, 2015 at 11:40 am)DespondentFishdeathMasochismo Wrote: WHY??? Why do I have to care about whether or I am taken seriously?
You don't have to care ... but you obviously do.
(December 6, 2015 at 11:40 am)DespondentFishdeathMasochismo Wrote: I have a fucking mind; I am not satisfied with not saying how I actually feel. I won't feel comfortable not expressing what is on my mind, which I very ardently wish I can express, just because of some pseudo intellectual fucking bullshit.
And what is on your mind in this instance is that homophobes should be run over so that you can enjoy hearing the crunching of their bones; got it.
I'm just saying that there are plenty of folks who find that detail -- that fact that you would enjoy hearing some people's skeletons being crushed -- disturbing. You are obviously free to say whatever you feel. Your listeners are equally free to judge you by your words. They are going to judge you by their own standards, just as you judge them by your own standards. That's the way the world works.
When you speak, or write, in such charged language that is obviously designed to elicit shock, you have to expect that some folks will be, well, shocked, and find your expressions distasteful, or worse. It's a free country. No one has to like you or your opinions. If you want to be liked, be likable, and if you don't care about being liked, why are you ranting here on a perfectly fine Sunday morning?
(December 6, 2015 at 12:57 pm)DespondentFishdeathMasochismo Wrote: I'm against the death penalty. Just pointing that out.
Really? Unless you could do the deed yourself, to some homophobe (or fatty, or xtian preacher, or . . . whoever else you enjoy hating) that pissed you off and apparently needs to die?
DespondentFishdeathMasochismo Wrote:
(post #30)
I literally, to sooth my fucking pain of thinking about the fucking lizard that is kim davis, just imagined her dying. It is FUCKING SYMBOLIC! It represents all of my anguish over this issue, just getting ripped to shreds. . . . I fucking hate her and I wish she would fucking die in a pile of blood and guts!
Why the fuck does that make me the bad guy? Huh? Because you're fantasizing about killing people and putting it out there on the internet? Do I believe in killing people NOOO!!! RIIIIGHT. SURE you don't.
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein
(December 6, 2015 at 12:57 pm)DespondentFishdeathMasochismo Wrote: I'm against the death penalty. Just pointing that out.
Really? Unless you could do the deed yourself, to some homophobe (or fatty, or xtian preacher, or . . . whoever else you enjoy hating) that pissed you off and apparently needs to die?
DespondentFishdeathMasochismo Wrote:
(post #30)
I literally, to sooth my fucking pain of thinking about the fucking lizard that is kim davis, just imagined her dying. It is FUCKING SYMBOLIC! It represents all of my anguish over this issue, just getting ripped to shreds. . . . I fucking hate her and I wish she would fucking die in a pile of blood and guts!
Why the fuck does that make me the bad guy? Huh? Because you're fantasizing about killing people and putting it out there on the internet? Do I believe in killing people NOOO!!! RIIIIGHT. SURE you don't.
what kind of condescending bs is this? get this out of my face.
(December 6, 2015 at 4:51 pm)DespondentFishdeathMasochismo Wrote:
(December 6, 2015 at 3:23 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: Really? Unless you could do the deed yourself, to some homophobe (or fatty, or xtian preacher, or . . . whoever else you enjoy hating) that pissed you off and apparently needs to die?
DespondentFishdeathMasochismo Wrote:
(post #30)
I literally, to sooth my fucking pain of thinking about the fucking lizard that is kim davis, just imagined her dying. It is FUCKING SYMBOLIC! It represents all of my anguish over this issue, just getting ripped to shreds. . . . I fucking hate her and I wish she would fucking die in a pile of blood and guts!
Why the fuck does that make me the bad guy? Huh? Because you're fantasizing about killing people and putting it out there on the internet? Do I believe in killing people NOOO!!! RIIIIGHT. SURE you don't.
what kind of condescending bs is this? get this out of my face.
Yep, now that I give you the typical response to your infantile, hormone-fueled hate fest, I need to die too. Have you been stockpiling guns and ammo lately? Should we contact the FBI?
Either you need help with your rage, or you need to change the way that you interact with people.
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein