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RE: Why I do not believe AI smarter than Humans will make more progress than Humans
November 10, 2015 at 9:33 pm
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AI is far more capable of invading our own planet.
I've heard serious concerns about unfriendly AIs, and our society's dependence on AIs such as the stock market.
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RE: Why I do not believe AI smarter than Humans will make more progress than Humans
November 10, 2015 at 9:38 pm
Chuck, you really believe closet to light speed travel is possible, irrespective of time?
I can't see it.
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RE: Why I do not believe AI smarter than Humans will make more progress than Humans
November 10, 2015 at 9:56 pm
W (November 10, 2015 at 9:38 pm)ignoramus Wrote: Chuck, you really believe closet to light speed travel is possible, irrespective of time?
I can't see it.
There is no physical law that prevents travel at close to speed of light. Given the exponential growth of the ability to harness energy that attends technological growth, I would be amazed if, given another thousand years of technological development, humans would not be routinely sending macroscopic objects at speeds close to the speed of light.
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RE: Why I do not believe AI smarter than Humans will make more progress than Humans
November 10, 2015 at 10:00 pm
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I was also wondering if there was any real chance of us actually travelling that fast, to meet other life forms. And not being totally dead by the time we arrived.
It seems hopelessly impossible to me, but then I'm not very well informed. And we can never predict what kind of crazy technology people will come up with.
Stargates? Are they remotely possible? Folding space like a piece of paper so that two distant points coincide.
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RE: Why I do not believe AI smarter than Humans will make more progress than Humans
November 10, 2015 at 10:54 pm
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(November 10, 2015 at 10:00 pm)robvalue Wrote: I was also wondering if there was any real chance of us actually travelling that fast, to meet other life forms. And not being totally dead by the time we arrived.
It seems hopelessly impossible to me, but then I'm not very well informed. And we can never predict what kind of crazy technology people will come up with.
Stargates? Are they remotely possible? Folding space like a piece of paper so that two distant points coincide.
1. There is no reason why we must physically be in our exploration ships. The ship's can be purely robotic
2. If we must be in the ships, there is no reason why given a few centuries of medical advances we can not be enhanced to survive the trip
3. Whether we can be enhanced or not, there is no reason why being on the ship means we must take our vulnerable bodies. Perhaps we can be recorded as information and reconstructed at the destination where our presence is called for.
I think our vision of our role in the future is far too limited by our colloquial experiences of self, individual and life, which are but contingent result of of our paths of evolution, and these results are in no way fundamental to existence and irremediable by plausible technology.
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RE: Why I do not believe AI smarter than Humans will make more progress than Humans
November 11, 2015 at 1:35 am
(November 10, 2015 at 9:27 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: (November 10, 2015 at 6:56 am)ignoramus Wrote: Chuck, but I would have thought the amount of planets will the correct conditions for abiogenesis, let alone a successful diverse evolution, let alone that intelligence is a given, would be relatively minor. Then we assume that no extinction events in all these millions of years of evolution. I don't know.
If 1 in a million planets undergo abiogenesis, and 1 in a million planets that underwent abiogenesis evolve intelligent life, and 1 in a million intelligent species eventually develop space travel, we still expect ten million space faring civilizations to have evolved in the observable universe.
I think you lost a factor of 100 somewhere there 
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RE: Why I do not believe AI smarter than Humans will make more progress than Humans
November 11, 2015 at 3:30 am
That's a lot of ifs!
I know the numbers are there, just like they were here with mother nature and mutations.
Can we ever know if we are a typical scenario with a sample of 1 to go by.
Are we the exception to the rule?
More importantly, can we know?
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RE: Why I do not believe AI smarter than Humans will make more progress than Humans
November 11, 2015 at 7:37 pm
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(November 10, 2015 at 2:09 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Do androids dream of electric sheep?
Only a dick would write about something like that.
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RE: Why I do not believe AI smarter than Humans will make more progress than Humans
November 11, 2015 at 7:47 pm
(November 11, 2015 at 7:37 pm)bennyboy Wrote: (November 10, 2015 at 2:09 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Do androids dream of electric sheep?
Only a dick would write about something like that.
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RE: Why I do not believe AI smarter than Humans will make more progress than Humans
November 11, 2015 at 10:01 pm
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I personally disagree, the more intelligent humans get the closer we get to developing computers that far surpass ourselves.
Computers already completely destroy the best in the world in Chess. The world itself is a later thing.
But personally I guess you're right but I don't think it's because we are incapable of inventing AIs that will far surpass us: It's because I think we may be extinct long before then.
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