Women's clothes?

[Losty]

Heat...women are sexy. A sexy woman is going to look sexy in whatever she wears. If you don't at least make an attempt to look nice and keep up with fashion you'll be labeled a slob. It's a really annoying ritualistic dance we have to do every morning. Make up so you won't look like a depressed slob who doesn't respect herself...ah ah ah not too much though you'd like like a whore, pants you have to wear those not too baggy lest the neighbors start a rumor that you're pregnant, not to tight lest the neighbors start a rumor that you're cheating on your husband, not too high rise because you'll be seen as old and out of fashion and the clerk will call you ma'am instead of miss and you'll feel old which everyone's always implied makes you less valuable, not too low rise because the creepers who gawk at you every day would then have an excuse "if you don't like it then why'd you dress like slut!??". Your shirt, you gotta wear one. Not a turtle neck people will think you a prude, not a plunging neckline you hussy, not too long a shirt because it's 97 degrees (F) outside, not showing too much midriff because you're not a floozy are you?, not too baggy then you're skank, but not too tight or you're a tramp, and if you're sleeve falls and your sports bra shows you're trailer trash, if your sleeve falls and your pretty bra shows you are a desperate slut. You still have to think about your hair and shoes and accessories and how society will view you if you wear them and how. And no matter how I dress there will always be someone who thinks it's not modest enough. There will always be someone who thinks I tried too hard to impress people, while someone else looks on thinking I didn't put enough effort into looking nice.

The whole game is stupid. And if you really think changing how I dress would prevent anyone from ever staring at me like a big juicy steak, you're living in a fantasy world.

[popsthebuilder]

No, but it easier to control things with negation of temptation.

Not justifying tape in any way, shape, or form. Nor am I advocating for the restriction of acceptable clothing. Just stating The obvious.

A dog can be a good pet. But if you leave it alone with an unguarded steak it may eat it. If you hadn't left it with the steak then it can't eat it.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

Women do not get raped because of what they wear. Most rape victims are not dressed proactively, nor are they attacked by marauding strangers with rage dicks who just happened to get a whiff of exposed skin, and many rapists do not actually remember our even notice what their victims are wearing.


High heels and a short skirt might get a lady mugged, but probably not raped. The notion that women can prevent rape by hiding their bodies is backward, ignorant, untrue, and insulting to all men.

Never said it could be utterly prevented by such.
Curtailed? Yes, to some extent.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

[Catholic_Lady]

Like myself and a handful of other women here have repeatedly explained to you, that is not the case. You refuse to believe us, so there's really not much else we can say.

HOW IS THAT NOT THE CASE? 
You keep reaffirming that it's not, yet never provide a valid reason.

It's really not my fault if YOU don't think they are valid reasons, and continue to assume they are not valid for us either and that we're just blatantly lying to you.

[Catholic_Lady]

HOW IS THAT NOT THE CASE? 
You keep reaffirming that it's not, yet never provide a valid reason.

Yes women say that it's not the case, A number of women on here have already said they wear it out for themselves because they like the way it looks it makes them feel good, what more do you want?

He just doesn't believe us and doesn't think our reasons are "valid" enough.

[Regina]

I'm pretty sure women are still getting raped in conservative countries which encourage modest dress. Statistically, it's believed that rape happens more in the West. I don't believe that's necessarily true, I think it's just that women in the West have more of a voice and position to report it and press charges when it happens. I'd imagine the actual rate it happens it about the same in every country.

But at any rate, you're conflating nudity with "wanting sex". Why does nudity always have to be sexual? People can be naked or only "half-dressed" for any number of reasons; comfort, self-expression, a political statement, swimming, bathing, breast feeding. Just because a woman is naked it doesn't necessarily have a sexual context.

[Mermaid]

i think rape is being conflated with unwanted engagement and/or harassment.

[popsthebuilder]

There is nothing wrong with a woman wanting to look good, and in doing so, feeling good about themselves.

The problem is with the currenent societal norm of permiscuity all while trying to figure out how to mend the problems with bastard children, quality of life for children, and general disrespect that greed exudes on all life.

The waywardness of future generations is contingent on our actions today. Yet we are swallowed up in this false truth known as social normality that stemmed from greed and lack of humility and respect in general.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

[Redbeard The Pink]

Women do not get raped because of what they wear. Most rape victims are not dressed proactively, nor are they attacked by marauding strangers with rage dicks who just happened to get a whiff of exposed skin, and many rapists do not actually remember our even notice what their victims are wearing.


High heels and a short skirt might get a lady mugged, but probably not raped. The notion that women can prevent rape by hiding their bodies is backward, ignorant, untrue, and insulting to all men.

Never said it could be utterly prevented by such.
Curtailed? Yes, to some extent.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

I get what you're saying, but you're wrong. There's no evidence whatsoever to support the assertion that covering up will even slightly decrease a person's likelihood of being raped. Quite the contrary, actually.

You see, rapists don't generally pay that much attention to victims' bodies. What they notice is levels of confidence, assertion, and aggression. Women who are outgoing and confidently dressed, while not inherently safe, are actually less likely to be targeted than women who signal meekness by hiding themselves.

Furthermore, in many oppressive, religious countries where women are completely covered all the time, rape is practically endemic to their culture, even so far as being part of the "Justice" system in some cases.

Point being that dressing modestly has no significant, positive impact on whether somebody is targeted, and in fact it may have the opposite of the desired effect. People who think otherwise don't know the facts.

[Catholic_Lady]

This is a great article about a talk all men should have with their sons: 

Seeing a Woman: A conversation between father and son.


...It pretty much explains all my sentiments on this issue.

[mr_j936]

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