Women's clothes?

[popsthebuilder]

Never said it could be utterly prevented by such.
Curtailed? Yes, to some extent.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

I get what you're saying, but you're wrong. There's no evidence whatsoever to support the assertion that covering up will even slightly decrease a person's likelihood of being raped. Quite the contrary, actually.

You see, rapists don't generally pay that much attention to victims' bodies. What they notice is levels of confidence, assertion, and aggression. Women who are outgoing and confidently dressed, while not inherently safe, are actually less likely to be targeted than women who signal meekness by hiding themselves.

Furthermore, in many oppressive, religious countries where women are completely covered all the time, rape is practically endemic to their culture, even so far as being part of the "Justice" system in some cases.

Point being that dressing modestly has no significant, positive impact on whether somebody is targeted, and in fact it may have the opposite of the desired effect. People who think otherwise don't know the facts.

I get that a strong woman may be less of a target.

So lets take that out of the equation.

If all women where equally strong/proud in character but some were more provocatively dressed -( arousing sexual desire or interest, especially deliberately.

synonymsexy, sexually arousing, sexually exciting, alluring,seductive,suggestive, inviting,tantalizing, titillating- then surely, without question, they would be more likely targeted for predatory actions of a sexual nature.

The same would stand if there was a control placed in the equation in either direction(proud/modest).

Without the proper controls, ones data easily has potential for erroneous conclusions.

Peace




Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

[bennyboy]

What the heck happened to this thread while I was sleeping?

I think reality is this: on an individual level, you wouldn't really expect ANY man to lose control of himself in response to certain clothing or behaviors.  However, on a statistical level, we know for sure that certain clothing and behaviors will raise a woman's risk of being raped.

If it makes anyone feel better to blame the rapists, that's fine.  They are out of control monsters.  But we know they exist, and as sad as that is, that's a reality of the human species.  All the justified blame in the world won't serve as a very effective barrier against a drunk monster's penis.  But staying home, dressing conservatively, and meeting guys only at your local church probably will reduce risk a lot.

The parents of various sex abuse victims probably thought the same thing, too...

I don't know the numbers well, but keep in mind we are talking about RISK, i.e. statistical facts rather than absolute facts.  I know that many sex abuse victims, especially children, are abused by family or family friends.

I also know that the majority of rapes in young adulthood are done by trusted people (especially boyfriends or dates) who won't take no for an answer.

Notice that I mention not only clothing, but life style choices.  If you think other lifestyle choices are a greater factor, that's fine.  However, it's clear that some women are going to be more statistically likely to be raped than others, and I believe that clothing may be part of this.

Redbeard The Pink has said some interesting things about clothing and statistics, but not offered any support.  I suggest we all stop talking, and look for some actual numbers with regard to clothing.

[popsthebuilder]

I'm pretty sure women are still getting raped in conservative countries which encourage modest dress. Statistically, it's believed that rape happens more in the West. I don't believe that's necessarily true, I think it's just that women in the West have more of a voice and position to report it and press charges when it happens. I'd imagine the actual rate it happens it about the same in every country.

But at any rate, you're conflating nudity with "wanting sex". Why does nudity always have to be sexual? People can be naked or only "half-dressed" for any number of reasons; comfort, self-expression, a political statement, swimming, bathing, breast feeding. Just because a woman is naked it doesn't necessarily have a sexual context.

The general self expression of a female, half dressed indeed is one of strong sexuality on some level.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

[Catholic_Lady]

I'm pretty sure women are still getting raped in conservative countries which encourage modest dress. Statistically, it's believed that rape happens more in the West. I don't believe that's necessarily true, I think it's just that women in the West have more of a voice and position to report it and press charges when it happens. I'd imagine the actual rate it happens it about the same in every country.

But at any rate, you're conflating nudity with "wanting sex". Why does nudity always have to be sexual? People can be naked or only "half-dressed" for any number of reasons; comfort, self-expression, a political statement, swimming, bathing, breast feeding. Just because a woman is naked it doesn't necessarily have a sexual context.

The general self expression of a female, half dressed indeed is one of strong sexuality on some level.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

Who IS this person??  

This is starting to really creep me out. You need to separate women from sex, just a tiny bit. Not everything is about sex.

[Losty]

What the heck happened to this thread while I was sleeping?

I think reality is this: on an individual level, you wouldn't really expect ANY man to lose control of himself in response to certain clothing or behaviors.  However, on a statistical level, we know for sure that certain clothing and behaviors will raise a woman's risk of being raped.

If it makes anyone feel better to blame the rapists, that's fine.  They are out of control monsters.  But we know they exist, and as sad as that is, that's a reality of the human species.  All the justified blame in the world won't serve as a very effective barrier against a drunk monster's penis.  But staying home, dressing conservatively, and meeting guys only at your local church probably will reduce risk a lot.

Funny. I lost my virginity by being raped by a youth pastor at my church. I guess I was doing it wrong.

[mr_j936]

I don't think clothing has any correlation with rape. Women are still raped in Saudi Arabia and Iran, they may be less inclined to report it since they would be punished so the statistics don't show, but it is there...

There are nude beaches in Europe, and yet you don't hear of insane rape statics happening in those areas. Rape and harassment are correlated with education I think, a well educated person does not commit crimes(not petty ones anyway)

If I find anything wrong regarding women these days is the obsession over their looks... Women obsessed over getting thinner and thinner or over their breast size etc... Now that is a problem, and I think it should be addressed,clothing... not so much.

[Losty]

Everyone....

You should edit this post. It's against the rules to talk about PMs without permission from the sender.

[Redbeard The Pink]

I get that a strong woman may be less of a target.

So lets take that out of the equation.

If all women where equally strong/proud in character but some were more provocatively dressed -( arousing sexual desire or interest, especially deliberately.

synonymsexy, sexually arousing, sexually exciting, alluring,seductive,suggestive, inviting,tantalizing, titillating- then surely, without question, they would be more likely targeted for predatory actions of a sexual nature.

The same would stand if there was a control placed in the equation in either direction(proud/modest).

Without the proper controls, ones data easily has potential for erroneous conclusions.

Peace




Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

Your hypothetical is unrealistic and irrelevant. The evident reality is that clothing and rape have virtually no correlation, except perhaps that cultural modesty and likelihood of being raped are somewhat directly proportional.

[popsthebuilder]

The general self expression of a female, half dressed indeed is one of strong sexuality on some level.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

Who IS this person??  

This is starting to really creep me out. You need to separate women from sex, just a tiny bit. Not everything is about sex.

I didn't say, or insinuate that they were, and take offence to your assertions of such based in some misguided assumption.

I as a male, am attracted to females. That is natural and indeed needed for procreation and continuation of life.

Just because I can view and state the perspectives of negativity doesn't mean that I myself am negative.

Stop jumping to unfounded conclusions just because you don't care for my opinion.

Me personally;

I am more attracted to an elegant woman on a real level with some other substance than sex.

However a hot mess of a woman that literally exudes sexuality is no doubt also attractive, yet on a somewhat lesser, or physical level.


You can call me a of if it makes you feel better. It makes no difference to me.

Peace

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

[Whateverist]

No, it's because women can't and won't generally attack a man because he is wearing what he thinks is comfortable. When was the last time you heard of a woman literally raping a man. It's kind of impossible

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

That's sexist to men. Men are not horny 24/7 and don't want to have sex with every single woman they meet.

Nor, annoyingly, is it possible.