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RE: The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
January 14, 2016 at 3:52 pm
(January 14, 2016 at 3:49 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: (January 14, 2016 at 3:46 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Because that is my subjective opinion. At least I realize it's subjective. That's important. Can you tell the difference?
I know it's your subjective opinion. I'm ask why you hold that? You don't believe he is actually bad but just think he is bad and hold that opinion is right. Seems contradictory to me. So perhaps explain.
Because I am me, and was born in these particular circumstances.
Your opinion may be different because you are you and are born in your particular circumstance.
The moon still has the same circumference, and I still weight the same, regardless of your opinion or mine.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
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RE: The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
January 14, 2016 at 3:56 pm
(January 14, 2016 at 3:52 pm)Jenny A Wrote: (January 14, 2016 at 3:49 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I know it's your subjective opinion. I'm ask why you hold that? You don't believe he is actually bad but just think he is bad and hold that opinion is right. Seems contradictory to me. So perhaps explain.
Because I am me, and was born in these particular circumstances.
Your opinion may be different because you are you and are born in your particular circumstance.
The moon still has the same circumference, and I still weight the same, regardless of your opinion or mine.
That's not answering the question really. You believe you are right, but then don't believe you are grounded to say so. So what makes you think you are right?
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RE: The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
January 14, 2016 at 4:02 pm
(January 14, 2016 at 3:24 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: (January 14, 2016 at 2:30 pm)wallym Wrote: That's interesting. I imagine that goes for most living stuff then? Non-living as well possibly?
Yes I believe everything has spiritual existence like the Native Americans did.
Neat. I also believe humans and the non-living have more in common than most. Although, as always, in the opposite direction you have gone. I devalue humans, while you elevate non-humans.
There is a definite symmetry between our two very different opinions.
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RE: The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
January 14, 2016 at 6:56 pm
(January 14, 2016 at 1:57 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: (January 14, 2016 at 1:39 pm)wallym Wrote: Do you believe dogs believe themselves to have objective value?
Yes I do, and I also believe they glorify God with a praise that we don't understand spiritually. They don't have the words like we do, but, they have their own spiritual glorification of God.
So when a dog licks its asshole for hours a day, it's glorifying God? Sounds about right I guess. 
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January 15, 2016 at 1:10 pm
(January 13, 2016 at 7:31 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Don't take it personally Camus, Mystic doesn't blame -you- for denying god, or your belief in it (  ). He's pretty sure there's a demon uttering cantrips over your "heart".
LOL, yes, this -would- follow perfectly considering what we have come to understand about mystic's version of "logic."
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RE: The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
January 15, 2016 at 1:41 pm
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Indeed, he needs to have some excuse with which to wave away the people whose very existence utterly demolishes any "rational" justification for his faith.
In a perfect world, I think, we'd just go away so he doesn't have to think about anything that might interrupt his addiction to bad poetry.
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RE: The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
January 15, 2016 at 2:25 pm
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(January 14, 2016 at 3:56 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: (January 14, 2016 at 3:52 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Because I am me, and was born in these particular circumstances.
Your opinion may be different because you are you and are born in your particular circumstance.
The moon still has the same circumference, and I still weight the same, regardless of your opinion or mine.
That's not answering the question really. You believe you are right, but then don't believe you are grounded to say so. So what makes you think you are right?
Probably because beliefs change and are not completely based on choice. Example: He/She believes they are right because of the current information they have.They are not stating that belief as fact because there is still a possibility that new information might change their belief.
My opinion at least.
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RE: The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
January 15, 2016 at 2:29 pm
(January 14, 2016 at 3:56 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: (January 14, 2016 at 3:52 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Because I am me, and was born in these particular circumstances.
Your opinion may be different because you are you and are born in your particular circumstance.
The moon still has the same circumference, and I still weight the same, regardless of your opinion or mine.
That's not answering the question really. You believe you are right, but then don't believe you are grounded to say so. So what makes you think you are right?
It's called self awareness. I am aware that what I feel to be true isn't necessarily true. Doesn't stop the feeling though.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
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RE: The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
January 15, 2016 at 3:33 pm
(January 13, 2016 at 10:29 am)mediocrates Wrote: Quote:The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves?
42 for now; much more if I win the powerball jackpot tonight. I'll let you know.
I forgot to mention...
I didn't win jack s*&%
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RE: The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
January 15, 2016 at 5:47 pm
(January 15, 2016 at 2:29 pm)Jenny A Wrote: (January 14, 2016 at 3:56 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: That's not answering the question really. You believe you are right, but then don't believe you are grounded to say so. So what makes you think you are right?
It's called self awareness. I am aware that what I feel to be true isn't necessarily true. Doesn't stop the feeling though.
I'm asking why you feel you are right. Not why you don't feel you know you are right. Why do you have a feeling anyways? Why not becoem like Wallym, and not praise or condemn humans at all?
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