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Makayla Sault, who refused chemo for faith-based alternatives, dies, 11
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Sum ergo sum
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Neither of us was in the room... I imagine the kid was whining about the side-effects of the chemo and the parents felt sorry for her.  Chemo is a cast-iron bitch.
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RE: Makayla Sault, who refused chemo for faith-based alternatives, dies, 11
(January 21, 2016 at 12:23 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
(January 21, 2016 at 9:20 am)Iroscato Wrote: She could've grown up to be anyone. Now she'll never have the chance because of those fucking morons.

As if I wasn't in a bad enough mood as it is.

Read the story closely.  SHE initiated the stoppage of chemotherapy and the parents supported her.

This should be classified as a suicide.

Let's be fucking honest.  Do you really think that she wasn't influenced by her parents for that decision?  At age fucking eleven?  I have an eleven year old granddaughter who's pretty independent, but she wouldn't be able to make a goddamn medical decision on her own.

There's plenty of indicators that she was influenced by her parents. For start, the fact that they let her stop chemotherapy in favor of being healed by god. Parents who aren't firmly indoctrinated by the bullshit aren't going to just let their child say no to treatment that could save their goddamn life. Then there's the fact that they tried to blame the fucking chemo on her death, despite medical experts saying otherwise. These nitwits clearly taught their daughter that faith was a better solution. How much they actually talked her into it doesn't fucking matter. A good parent would have told them that God wants them to get Chemotherapy, and that's how he will heal her.
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(January 21, 2016 at 1:01 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Neither of us was in the room... I imagine the kid was whining about the side-effects of the chemo and the parents felt sorry for her.  Chemo is a cast-iron bitch.
No, we were not. However in spite of that, we can agree that it's entirely likely that the Mikayla complained about her side-effects because chemo is literally poison. We don't have to see it to know it's likely because of probability. Other things I don't need to see in order to be reasonably confident of their occurrence:

1. that parents who would blame the chemo for their daughter's death are opposed to it and would have advocated that opposition, given an appropriate outlet
2. that Mikayla would have been generally aware of her parents' views towards chemo
3. that children are both consciously and subconsciously influenced by their parents
4. that caring, responsible parents would find a way to deal with those heart-breaking emotions and do what's best for their daughter

No matter how I think of it, I come to the conclusion that this is directly the parents' fault.
Sum ergo sum
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(January 21, 2016 at 12:23 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
(January 21, 2016 at 9:20 am)Iroscato Wrote: She could've grown up to be anyone. Now she'll never have the chance because of those fucking morons.

As if I wasn't in a bad enough mood as it is.

Read the story closely.  SHE initiated the stoppage of chemotherapy and the parents supported her.

This should be classified as a suicide.

She wasn't old enough to be able to make an informed decision. The parents were the responsible party, alone. And don't think for a minute that the girl wasn't simply parroting the lines the parents gave her, rather than following her own thoughts.
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RE: Makayla Sault, who refused chemo for faith-based alternatives, dies, 11
Pick one:

1. Kill them in the womb but make them live at all costs once they're born.

2. Save them in the womb but abandon them once they're born.
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