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Religious Liberty?
February 9, 2016 at 8:51 pm
To what extant should religious liberty in this nation be respected?
Everyone should be able to believe whatever they want including  .
But.. at what point should the law respect religious beliefs?
When should allowances be made?
Surely companies, with a Christian basis should not be forced to provide contraception?
A Christina bakery.. shouldn't be...forced..to bake a cake for a gay couples wedding?
Thoughts?
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RE: Religious Liberty?
February 9, 2016 at 8:54 pm
There should not be any limit on religious beliefs - none whatsoever. The only thing limited should be actions that violate the law, irrespective of whether or not those actions are based in religion.
In simpler terms, you can believe whatever you like, you just can't do whatever you like.
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RE: Religious Liberty?
February 9, 2016 at 8:58 pm
(This post was last modified: February 9, 2016 at 9:05 pm by ApeNotKillApe.)
You say that as if a person's beliefs and their actions are mutually exclusive. If they believe they have divine mandate to perform acts of violence or to oppress certain people, then they're going to feel obligated to do so.
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RE: Religious Liberty?
February 9, 2016 at 9:18 pm
To the extent that we allow them to believe what they want to believe, but not to the extent that they can impose their beliefs on others. For instance, Kim Davis has the right to believe homosexuality is immoral. She does not have the right to refuse to do her job, or interfere with other people's jobs, which she obviously has done.
Companies should do their job, regardless of the customer, as long as the money is good. If you allow stores to refuse service, you're basically letting them decide who can and can't live in the town they sell goods in.
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RE: Religious Liberty?
February 9, 2016 at 9:24 pm
(February 9, 2016 at 9:18 pm)Chad32 Wrote: To the extent that we allow them to believe what they want to believe, but not to the extent that they can impose their beliefs on others. For instance, Kim Davis has the right to believe homosexuality is immoral. She does not have the right to refuse to do her job, or interfere with other people's jobs, which she obviously has done.
Companies should do their job, regardless of the customer, as long as the money is good. If you allow stores to refuse service, you're basically letting them decide who can and can't live in the town they sell goods in.
^^^This^^^
And where does this end? "I don't like people with dark skin so I refuse to serve them"?
I wonder if those supporting this bakery would scream if I refused to serve Christians in my line of work?
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RE: Religious Liberty?
February 9, 2016 at 9:33 pm
(February 9, 2016 at 8:51 pm)TrueChristian Wrote: To what extant should religious liberty in this nation be respected?
Everyone should be able to believe whatever they want including .
But.. at what point should the law respect religious beliefs?
When should allowances be made?
Surely companies, with a Christian basis should not be forced to provide contraception?
A Christina bakery.. shouldn't be...forced..to bake a cake for a gay couples wedding?
Thoughts? Your freedom ends where my nose begins.
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Religious Liberty?
February 9, 2016 at 9:35 pm
(February 9, 2016 at 8:51 pm)TrueChristian Wrote: A Christina bakery.. shouldn't be...forced..to bake a cake for a gay couples wedding?
A Christian bakery should be forced to bake this.
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RE: Religious Liberty?
February 9, 2016 at 9:36 pm
Troll baiting again I see!
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RE: Religious Liberty?
February 9, 2016 at 9:37 pm
(February 9, 2016 at 8:51 pm)TrueChristian Wrote: To what extant should religious liberty in this nation be respected?
Everyone should be able to believe whatever they want including .
But.. at what point should the law respect religious beliefs?
When should allowances be made?
Surely companies, with a Christian basis should not be forced to provide contraception?
A Christina bakery.. shouldn't be...forced..to bake a cake for a gay couples wedding?
Thoughts?
The problem is it's a slippery slope. How long would it be, if they were allowed, before Southerners would exercising their "religious freedom" not to let gay people work? Buy food? Walk on their streets? Swim in their swimming pools? Drink water from public fountains?
Replay "gay" with "black" and you should see pretty quickly what I mean. Because religion is undefined, and ANY bullshit prejudice can be drawn under some asshole's definition of "religion," and that means that all laws regarding human liberty and equality would have an escape clause.
Pastafarianism (I say) precludes the posting of intolerant religious ideas in the Philosophy section. Therefore, you are violating my religious liberty right now!
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RE: Religious Liberty?
February 9, 2016 at 9:54 pm
(This post was last modified: February 9, 2016 at 9:55 pm by SteelCurtain.)
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