Clinton or Sanders

[Rhondazvous]

I think it's odd that Sanders is being silent about the email. If Hillary is the one who goes up against Trump, you know the reps certainly will not be silent. They might even go so far as to bring up Whitewater.

[Minimalist]

There seems to be a misconception about the whole issue.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/14/us/pol....html?_r=0

Although the White House has strict requirements dating back two decades that every email must be saved, there is no such requirement for federal agencies. Instead they are in charge of setting their own policies for determining which emails constitute government records worthy of preservation and which ones may be discarded.

While many agencies’ current practice is to print and file emails deemed worthy of saving, an Obama administration directive in 2012 mandates that agencies must devise a system for retaining and preserving email records electronically by the end of 2016.

Mr. Obama signed legislation late last year requiring government officials who use personal email addresses for official business to bring those records into the government within 20 days. Before that, the National Archives and Records Administration simply required those messages at some point to be provided to the government.

“The wiggle room for Mrs. Clinton is that those policies didn’t come into play until after she was gone” from the State Department in early 2013, said Thomas S. Blanton, the director of the National Security Archive at George Washington University, an independent, nongovernmental organization focused on transparency.

I was a federal employee until 2005.  I had a .gov email account and, I know this is hard to believe but every few months I'd get a message from Tech Support to  delete my old emails to save hard drive space.  No one backed them up.  They kept them on magnetic tape for 30 days or so and then re-cycled the tapes.  As a union official there were some emails that were very useful to us and I saved those to a personal email account that I had set up for just that purpose on Hotmail.  I found it enormously amusing that in 2013 when the Lois Lerner case blew up that they were still using the same fucking system 8 years later... which is like a geologic time scale in the computer field.  

Now, none of this matters to the FOX FUX because you're right.  We'll hear all about Whitewater and blowjobs and Paula Fucking Jones again.  The republicunts will do anything they can to avoid talking about how disastrously they fucked this country up the last time they had power.

My problem with the asshole electorate is that they have lousy memories.

[Chad32]

I think it's odd that Sanders is being silent about the email. If Hillary is the one who goes up against Trump, you know the reps certainly will not be silent. They might even go so far as to bring up Whitewater.

He doesn't really worry about the scandals, and what other candidates have done. he just sticks with the issues, especially money in politics. That's one thing I like about him.

[Tiberius]

Yes, because government computer systems are SO secure.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/16...67696.html

That's irrelevant. People will have been fired for that breach, or at the very least, been reprimanded. Clinton set up her own personal server, completely out of control of any government department, and then proceeded to sent official emails which included classified information through it. That's like joining a company in some managerial role, being given a corporate email account, and then turning around and saying "forget it, I'll use my Gmail account instead", only it's worse because it's the government where you have be held accountable, and also because of the classified information.

There seems to be a misconception about the whole issue.

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I was a federal employee until 2005.  I had a .gov email account and, I know this is hard to believe but every few months I'd get a message from Tech Support to  delete my old emails to save hard drive space.  No one backed them up.  They kept them on magnetic tape for 30 days or so and then re-cycled the tapes.  As a union official there were some emails that were very useful to us and I saved those to a personal email account that I had set up for just that purpose on Hotmail.  I found it enormously amusing that in 2013 when the Lois Lerner case blew up that they were still using the same fucking system 8 years later... which is like a geologic time scale in the computer field.  

Now, none of this matters to the FOX FUX because you're right.  We'll hear all about Whitewater and blowjobs and Paula Fucking Jones again.  The republicunts will do anything they can to avoid talking about how disastrously they fucked this country up the last time they had power.

My problem with the asshole electorate is that they have lousy memories.

I don't think you and I agree about what the "issue" is. I'm not bothered by the fact that emails were deleted; if the policy was to delete them to save space, then so be it. I'm bothered by the fact that classified information was sent via a private email system, something which is illegal, and which is actually grounds for losing security clearance, as well as a position in government. I'd had security clearance before, including access to a secure email system. If I had copied information from that system and sent it via a regular non-secure email, I would have been fired, lost my clearance, and could have faced criminal charges.

It shouldn't be one set of rules for regular workers, and one set of rules for elected officials. A person who is so lax with sensitive information, especially classified information which national security, should *not* be allowed to be a candidate for President.

[Tiberius]

I think it's odd that Sanders is being silent about the email. If Hillary is the one who goes up against Trump, you know the reps certainly will not be silent. They might even go so far as to bring up Whitewater.

He doesn't really worry about the scandals, and what other candidates have done. he just sticks with the issues, especially money in politics. That's one thing I like about him.

I like that about him to, but I think there are some scandals that he has a right to way in on, especially when they relate to how government should work. Clinton brings up her experience and electibility all the time, but she's being investigated by the FBI for mis-using a secure email system, something which shows her experience with classified information is less than ideal, and also that her electibility is questionable.

[KUSA]

I think I'm gonna get one of these shirts.

[Minimalist]

Those emails are being classified after the fact, Tibs.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/22...ret-218420

“These documents were not marked classified at the time they were sent,” Kirby said in a statement. He said State is still looking into whether they should have been considered classified at the time they were created.

Our constitution precludes ex post facto laws.  She's been out of office for 4 years.

[vorlon13]

I think it's odd that Sanders is being silent about the email. If Hillary is the one who goes up against Trump, you know the reps certainly will not be silent. They might even go so far as to bring up Whitewater.

Indeed.

Should Hillary nevertheless prevail, not having honed her defense of her various scandals Bernie chose not to bring up, she'll be subject to all the depredation whatever 'pub gets the nomination can muster, and I'm thinking she needs to be well girded and prepped for whatever ensues.

And if she couldn't mount a defense of her record against Bernie (and we'll never know now), it's better to know NOW, than in whatever debates she signs on for in the run up to first tuesday.

It's almost as though Bernie is thinking, "if not me, then not Hillary, either". Is passive/aggressive in Bernie's repertoire ?

[GrandizerII]

There seems to be a misconception about the whole issue.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/14/us/pol....html?_r=0

Although the White House has strict requirements dating back two decades that every email must be saved, there is no such requirement for federal agencies. Instead they are in charge of setting their own policies for determining which emails constitute government records worthy of preservation and which ones may be discarded.

While many agencies’ current practice is to print and file emails deemed worthy of saving, an Obama administration directive in 2012 mandates that agencies must devise a system for retaining and preserving email records electronically by the end of 2016.

Mr. Obama signed legislation late last year requiring government officials who use personal email addresses for official business to bring those records into the government within 20 days. Before that, the National Archives and Records Administration simply required those messages at some point to be provided to the government.

“The wiggle room for Mrs. Clinton is that those policies didn’t come into play until after she was gone” from the State Department in early 2013, said Thomas S. Blanton, the director of the National Security Archive at George Washington University, an independent, nongovernmental organization focused on transparency.

I was a federal employee until 2005.  I had a .gov email account and, I know this is hard to believe but every few months I'd get a message from Tech Support to  delete my old emails to save hard drive space.  No one backed them up.  They kept them on magnetic tape for 30 days or so and then re-cycled the tapes.  As a union official there were some emails that were very useful to us and I saved those to a personal email account that I had set up for just that purpose on Hotmail.  I found it enormously amusing that in 2013 when the Lois Lerner case blew up that they were still using the same fucking system 8 years later... which is like a geologic time scale in the computer field.  

Now, none of this matters to the FOX FUX because you're right.  We'll hear all about Whitewater and blowjobs and Paula Fucking Jones again.  The republicunts will do anything they can to avoid talking about how disastrously they fucked this country up the last time they had power.

My problem with the asshole electorate is that they have lousy memories.

Isn't the main issue with Hillary and her emails is that she sent and received gov-related emails through a private non-governmental server?

[Tiberius]

Those emails are being classified after the fact, Tibs.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/22...ret-218420

“These documents were not marked classified at the time they were sent,” Kirby said in a statement. He said State is still looking into whether they should have been considered classified at the time they were created.

Our constitution precludes ex post facto laws.  She's been out of office for 4 years.

You are relying on outdated information. The latest findings are that several top secret documents were effectively copy / pasted and sent insecurely by Clinton and her aides during the time she was Secretary of State.

The State department denies they were classified at the time, and of course they would; they are on Clinton's side. However intelligence officials say otherwise:

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics...66737.html

"None of Clinton’s emails was marked as classified during her tenure, State Department officials say, but intelligence officials say some material was clearly classified at the time. Her aides also sent and received classified information."

It was also discovered recently that the State department created a classified email for Clinton to use, and she never used it. Ask yourself, if she never used the email she was supposed to use for classified information, how did she send / receive classified information by email? Either she never did, which is unlikely, or she sent / received it via her personal email server.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/23/reveal...r-used-it/

More info on the emails sent and the classified contents: http://m.townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson...n-n2120958

Clinton supporters need to stop whitewashing this and pretending it's not a serious issue.