Transexuals

[Goosebump]

So it's completely unacceptable for some women to have discomfort even with the stalls occasionally; but completely acceptable for transgender women to feel so always when going to a public restroom?

Again, it's a crappy situation for both parties involved, this is why suggested the option of a third bathroom as the ideal scenario. But if we're gonna talk about which situation effects the least amount of people, then I'd say there are many more women in the world than there are transgender women.

I'd argue one women having a low probability of even one of these encounters AND having the uncomfortable-ness about it is far less then the certainty of all trans gender women feeling uncomfortable every-time they are forced to use the men's room. 

So which one is to be prevented? The occasional low probability of discomfort in a large population, or the certainty of always having discomfort in a smaller population?

[Rhondazvous]

For someone with gender dysphoria, "positive self-acceptance" is naturally very difficult, perhaps impossible. Maybe hormone treatments and SRS are the best option? Not everyone can "positively accept themselves", and while it's ideal sometimes it just isn't the answer.

I hope you are someone who accepts himself. Because I, for one, think you are the boss.

I know it’s hard when the people you love don’t except you. Even though with me it’s not a gender/sexuality thing, I think it’s the same feeling when my mother, whom I love, blames me for not allowing god to heal my disabilities. People who were born deaf often see deafness as a cultural phenomenon rather than a medical issue. They see themselves as big D, and call me a little d.

I don’t have the option of saying, “Oh, I’m not strong enough to deal with the social opposition so I’ll just stop being disabled and act like normal people.”

“Let me see,” said the blind carpenter as he picked up his hammer and saw.

Share the joy of life YL. It’s hard, but it’s not impossible.

[vorlon13]

Are we ready to expand the thread into the realm of ambiguous genitalia ??

[Goosebump]

If we weren't I guess we better be now heh.

[Catholic_Lady]

Again, it's a crappy situation for both parties involved, this is why suggested the option of a third bathroom as the ideal scenario. But if we're gonna talk about which situation effects the least amount of people, then I'd say there are many more women in the world than there are transgender women.

I'd argue one women having a low probability of even one of these encounters AND having the uncomfortable-ness about it is far less then the certainty of all trans gender women feeling uncomfortable every-time they are forced to use the men's room. 

So which one is to be prevented? The occasional low probability of discomfort in a large population, or the certainty of always having discomfort in a smaller population?

I think in this case the effect would be less that would effect less people. Also, what makes you think it's a low probability for a woman to feel uncomfortable if a physical man walked into their bathroom/lockerroom? But again, the solution to this should be to make a 3rd bathroom.

[Neo-Scholastic]

CL, if you are a business owner or institution renting space for $30 or more per square foot a third bathroom is useless overhead. It solves an emotional problem for .03 percent of the population at the financial expense of everyone served by that business or institution. Good intentions aren't free.

[Kitan Etos]

Good intentions aren't free.

Stated the Christian.

[Jenny A]

[vorlon13]

If we weren't I guess we better be now heh.

Oh, that's better.  Had to go over to Tumblr and clear my palette, so to speak.

Ain't no ambiguous genitalia at F       ERF      ERS, that's for sure . . . .

 

Curious though, most all the guys I'm looking at on Tumblr would be pretty safe for the ladyfolk to share a biffy with . . .

[Catholic_Lady]

CL, if you are a business owner or institution renting space for $30 or more per square foot a third bathroom is useless overhead. It solves an emotional problem for .03 percent of the population at the financial expense of everyone served by that business or institution. Good intentions aren't free.

I still think it would be a good idea to have a small private bathroom. Not only for transgender folks who haven't done reassignment yet, but for people with other difficult circumstances. Like perhaps a mother with a fully grown son who has down syndrome and can't use the bathroom alone.