Transexuals

[Catholic_Lady]

I still think it would be a good idea to have a small private bathroom. Not only for transgender folks who haven't done reassignment yet, but for people with other difficult circumstances. Like perhaps a mother with a fully grown son who has down syndrome and can't use the bathroom alone.

Doesn't this also create a stigmata? It in a way requires you to announce something that is private. Imagine if before you used the bathroom you had to shout out "I'm Gay!" or something equally invasive? By forcing a group of people to behave differently from you, and from how they see and understand themselves you singling them out for special treatment. Isn't that close to the definition of discrimination?

I never said anything about people having to shout out or be checked before using the bathroom. But it would be one of those things you're not supposed to do, and if you got caught you'd get called out for it and made to switch rooms.

[Goosebump]

Most majorly public places now do have a unisex/family bathroom or at least the sign outside the bathroom indicating it is not specifically gender oriented.

Most?  Most? Would that it were so.

Also if you say the unisex/family bathrooms should be changed to transgender bathrooms you still creating a sign that says "These people are different." How is it so different then a black vs white water fountain?

[Silver]

I never said anything about people having to shout out or be checked before using the bathroom. But it would be one of those things you're not supposed to do, and if you got caught you'd get called out for it and made to switch rooms.

Except that for those who are transitioning, even though they may not have had the bottom surgery done, are informed that they must fully incorporate into their lives every aspect of that which they are. After all, a man transitioning into a woman is no threat to anyone in a woman's bathroom except bigoted assholes who would prefer to judge than empathize or understand in any capacity.

[Goosebump]

Doesn't this also create a stigmata? It in a way requires you to announce something that is private. Imagine if before you used the bathroom you had to shout out "I'm Gay!" or something equally invasive? By forcing a group of people to behave differently from you, and from how they see and understand themselves you singling them out for special treatment. Isn't that close to the definition of discrimination?

I never said anything about people having to shout out or be checked before using the bathroom. But it would be one of those things you're not supposed to do, and if you got caught you'd get called out for it and made to switch rooms.

Not sure you understood what I wrote, I bolded the part that set's up the part you responded too. If it's not clear let me know and I'll take another crack at it.

[Catholic_Lady]

I never said anything about people having to shout out or be checked before using the bathroom. But it would be one of those things you're not supposed to do, and if you got caught you'd get called out for it and made to switch rooms.

Except that for those who are transitioning, even though they may not have had the bottom surgery done, are informed that they must fully incorporate into their lives every aspect of that which they are.  After all, a man transitioning into a woman is no threat to anyone in a woman's bathroom except bigoted assholes who would prefer to judge than empathize or understand in any capacity.

I don't think so. I think a woman can feel uncomfortable with a physical man (despite gender identity) being in the same bathroom and/or lockerroom, and that does not make them bigoted assholes. Personally I would be uncomfortable changing/showering in the same vicinity as a physical man.

[Jenny A]

Most?  Most? Would that it were so.

Also if you say the unisex/family bathrooms should be changed to transgender bathrooms you still creating a sign that says "These people are different." How is it so different then a black vs white water fountain?

I wouldn't require anyone to use such a bathroom,  but men with infant daughters,  mixed sex couples who need to assist  one another, people looking after severely retarded members of the opposite sex, and persons in transition of ambiguous visual gender would appreciate a neutral room.,

What part of appreciate versus  required to use did you miss?

[Silver]

I don't think so. I think a woman can feel uncomfortable with a physical man (despite gender identity) being in the same bathroom and/or lockerroom, and that does not make them bigoted assholes. Personally I would be uncomfortable changing/showering in the same vicinity as a physical man.

I was a physical man when my grandmother took me into the woman's restroom when I was a kid because I did not want to be by myself.

Granted, children have a mind set that has not reached adulthood, I agree.

However, you cannot claim to be anything other than prejudiced when you judge a transitioning individual for being in the "wrong" bathroom. You are allowing a preconceived notion to cloud your logical processes, because there is no way that is an "actual" man simply "sneaking" into the bathroom to take a peek at your girly parts while you sit on the toilet.

Seriously, use your goddamn brain. It is within that thick skull for more than just sitting there.

[Catholic_Lady]

I don't think so. I think a woman can feel uncomfortable with a physical man (despite gender identity) being in the same bathroom and/or lockerroom, and that does not make them bigoted assholes. Personally I would be uncomfortable changing/showering in the same vicinity as a physical man.

I was a physical man when my grandmother took me into the woman's restroom when I was a kid because I did not want to be by myself.

Granted, children have a mind set that has not reached adulthood, I agree.

However, you cannot claim to be anything other than prejudiced when you judge a transitioning individual for being in the "wrong" bathroom.  You are allowing a preconceived notion to cloud your logical processes, because there is no way that is an "actual" man simply "sneaking" into the bathroom to take a peek at your girly parts while you sit on the toilet.

Seriously, use your goddamn brain.  It is within that thick skull for more than just sitting there.

I'm sorry. I would not feel comfortable showering/changing in the presence of a physical man. If you think that makes me a prejudiced bigoted asshole, so be it.

[Jenny A]

Please don't let trannies into the boy's room.  They'll be looking at my willy!  AHHHH

Unless you're using the boy's room at a public park, I would venture a more public setting would be safer.

Methinks your sarcasm meter is defective today.

[Goosebump]

Also if you say the unisex/family bathrooms should be changed to transgender bathrooms you still creating a sign that says "These people are different." How is it so different then a black vs white water fountain?

I wouldn't require anyone to use such a bathroom,  but men with infant daughters,  mixed sex couples who need to assist  one another, people looking after severely retarded members of the opposite sex, and persons in transition of ambiguous visual gender would appreciate a neutral room.,

What part of appreciate versus  required to use did you miss?

I didn't see "appreciate" in the quote or what you were responding to when I quoted it. If I missed an earlier post that's my bad and I apologize.

The reason why I enter into the "required" argument is that is the vain of the thread with Catholic_lady. It's where my mind was and that influenced how I read it.

Just to be clear: you don't think a transgender should have to use the unisex BR, in your summation they could use that one or the one they gender identify with?

- Again sorry for the confusion. -