Transexuals

[TubbyTubby]

We could all chip in and buy Dirch a ticket to Pattaya so he can get over his phobia. Any of these interest you Dirch?

[Vincent]

what happened to your thoughts in the lovly bill marr speech you left me yesterday? or was that only to excuse you from answering a rebuttal you finally got and realized you painted yourself into a no win corner?

Why not simply take you own advise and give up on me. that's the only reason I did not hold you feet to the fire about your ludicrous statement concerning the definition of mental illness, and follow up with a victory lap when I made you conceed.

If your back in the game lets pick up where we left off shall we??

I don't know what the fuck you're talking about Bill Marr. What speech? I googled Bill Marr after your reply to me and nothing came up, and I don't know what relevance this has to 1999.

I don't even know what statement concerning the definition of mental illness that you find ludicrous. Again you're just making all this up.

He basically refuted your entirely thought-out reply by just excusing you as a far-left zombie that doesn't know how to think for itself. 

In other words: He didn't have an actual response so he reduced himself to shit-throwing.

[Neo-Scholastic]

Actually, I'm not.[suggesting a soul][i]Using functional MRI studied Burke brains of people with and without a so-called gender dystrophy. Burke: "It appears that the brains of these young people have characteristics that are closer to their perceived gender than their birth gender."

Like a famous talk show host, I value clarity more than agreement. You do realize that by lumping homosexuality in with GID, then you are in essence saying that either 1) both are pathological or 2) both are normative. In the study you cited there is a proven mismatch and conflict between two biological functions. Therefore you seem to be arguing for the idea that GID is a legitimate pathology, so that must mean that you think homosexuality is too.

People with health issues are innocent victims of their circumstances, so they are not to be faulted. The question remains as to what treatment options best remedy the pathology, a private decision, and how the larger culture must adapt itself to the accommodate the pathology. These issues can be discussed without accusations of bigotry.

[I_am_not_mafia]

you have jumped from my use of the term mentally Ill, to my vetted use of the words transsexual and transgender, in a desperate attempt to discredit me.

No, I have also picked up on your confusion between transsexual and transgender. In the same way I have also pointed out all the other terms that you use yet clearly do not understand.

Again if you want to play word games lets go back to your definition of mentally ill, so I can at least close the topic which I am now convinced that you know you've lost in part due to your own arrogance coupled with a fast and loose understanding of the terms provided in the OP.

OK, what definition mental illness?

I never came up with my own definition.

You're just trash talking but not backing up your statements.

[downbeatplumb]

What?!  So gender dysphoria = rapist?    Your ignorance make sick to my stomach, Drich.

No.
Rapist=Rapist

Hetro Rapist + pretending to be trans = rape on bathroom floor for some woman or girl.

Hetro Perv + a go pro+ pretending to be a trans= your ass on the interwebs.

It's not the trans/1%ers that will be the big problem. It's opening the door to anyone who wants access to the bathroom facilities of the opposite sex, just so 'we' can indulge the mentally ill by allowing them to live out their wants to be someone different..

I have accidentally walked into a ladies toilet, there was literally no one to stop me. If I had done that with evil intent there would still have been no one to stop me. I have been in a mens toilet and the ladies loos became blocked so all the girls unexpectedly started using the gents, I was caught mid flow at a urinal! still the troops did not descend. If people have evil intent and want to lurk in a loo they will, I believe some cubicles even have lockable doors so someone fully dressed as a man could lie in wait in a ladies undiscovered before pouncing. And lets be honest a man putting on a dress and high heels to go out raping ladies is unlikely in the extreme. "that's him officer, in the red mini skirt, boob tube and spangly high heels".

[I_am_not_mafia]

So please clarify. Do you think that transgendered people are mentally incompetent or not?

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That's the post that I was asking for clarification about.

It's ambiguous, but on the face of it, it looks like you are saying that transgendered people are not mentally incompetent. I shall assume this for now unless you correct me otherwise.

So if transgendered people are mentally competent, why shouldn't they have a say about laws affecting them?

[LadyForCamus]

I don't believe he has demonstrated that he understands a single term being used in this discussion. Not surprising, since he's shown before he doesn't even know the difference between sexual orientation and sexual acts.

All he has achieved is to have found lots of different ways of saying he's scared of people who are different. This is just painful to watch.

Yeah, and the scary part is he thinks he "won" the argument. How's that for mental illness! Delusions of grandeur anyone?

[Vincent]

Drich, what DO you intend to do if you see a non-medically transitioned trans guy in the bathroom? (Assuming you even realize he's trans)

Call the police? By the time they get there, the dude will be long gone.

Knock on the stall door or confront him at the urinal mid-piss and tell him to get out?

Start yelling at him?

Tackle him to the ground?

One has to wonder if such a small thing that literally does not negatively affect you in any way is worth such trouble.

[I_am_not_mafia]

Yeah, and the scary part is he thinks he "won" the argument.  How's that for mental illness!  Delusions of grandeur anyone?

Using his own definition:

Seeing things that do not exist, validates a diagnosis of delusion. Being diagnosed with being delusional has nothing to do with your ability to adapt to life while seeing things that do not exist. Seeing something that does not exist is the impediment on our ability to think, that qualifies someone as being mentally ill.

[TheRocketSurgeon]

Actually, I'm not.[suggesting a soul]Using functional MRI studied Burke brains of people with and without a so-called gender dystrophy. Burke: "It appears that the brains of these young people have characteristics that are closer to their perceived gender than their birth gender."

Like a famous talk show host, I value clarity more than agreement. You do realize that by lumping homosexuality in with GID, then you are in essence saying that either 1) both are pathological or 2) both are normative. In the study you cited there is a proven mismatch and conflict between two biological functions. Therefore you seem to be arguing for the idea that GID is a legitimate pathology, so that must mean that you think homosexuality is too.

People with health issues are innocent victims of their circumstances, so they are not to be faulted. The question remains as to what treatment options best remedy the pathology, a private decision, and how the larger culture must adapt itself to the accommodate the pathology. These issues can be discussed without accusations of bigotry.

I'm not quiiiiiiite sure what you mean by "pathological", in this context. However, I do know that people have very complex sexuality that is not only dictated by genes, but by epigenetics (and possibly other factors) during development. Whether the people are "normal" or "abnormal" seems to me entirely irrelevant. (Is there such thing as a normal person?)

What we do know is that the people who claim to be the opposite gender from their sex show unconscious/instinctive chemical reactions in their brain identical to the gender they're claiming to be. The same turned out to be true for homosexuals, and largely puts a stop to the "it's a choice" arguments.

You and Drippy both seem to be confusing GID as a condition with the fact of a person being trans. A person who is trans but cannot transition or be accepted as they wish to be accepted (as their brain tells them they really are) suffers from GID, not a happily-adjusted trans person. That's why it's in the DSM-V... just like depression or an eating disorder, it's something a person suffers from until they're addressed by psychologists. Treating it, or any such disorders, as a sign of being mentally deranged or dangerous, is sheer ignorance. It is seeking to justify your fear-reaction to something you don't understand by grasping at straws. We have tried to explain to you why it is a straw, and yet you persist in your refusal to understand what GID actually is. Why is that?