Transexuals

[paulpablo]

So I have to wonder what other medicinal conditions - in your expert medical opinion - ought to be excluded from treatment under your public health system.  Or is it just the ones you are grossly ignorant about?

Also I fully admit I barely have any knowledge of gender disphoria or species disphoria but in either case on first judgement my opinion is that it isn't reasonable to fund expensive surgeries based on distress over feelings of being the wrong species or wrong gender that could go on indefinitely.  In most cases that is, maybe there are some exceptions I haven't thought of.

[Losty]

I admit that I have no idea what I'm talking about but here's my opinion anyways.

[abaris]

The case of you somehow putting them on an equal level speaks volumes.

One is pretty much known and accepted by medicine for the last 40 years. The other you took from two or three of CLs posts. If not, care to provide a link to a medical study on species disphoria and how frequent it is.

Oh, nevermind. That's what it's supposed to be.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species_dysphoria

[I_am_not_mafia]

It makes sense if some people feel distressed that they aren't the right gender some people might feel they aren't the right species.

No it doesn't. Women do not give birth to either humans or dolphins. Humans and dolphins have different brains.

Women do give birth to either boys or girls, and sometimes to intersex children. Male and female brains are different and transsexuals have been shown to have the brain of the gender that they identify with.

[Losty]

The case of you somehow putting them on an equal level speaks volumes.

One is pretty much known and accepted by medicine for the last 40 years. The other you took from two or three of CLs posts. If not, care to provide a link to a medical study on species disphoria and how frequent it is.

Oh, nevermind. That's what it's supposed to be.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species_dysphoria

I can't find any peer reviewed articles on it. Not even 1

[paulpablo]

It makes sense if some people feel distressed that they aren't the right gender some people might feel they aren't the right species.

No it doesn't. Women do not give birth to either humans or dolphins. Humans and dolphins have different brains.

Women do give birth to either boys or girls, and sometimes to intersex children. Male and female brains are different and transsexuals have been shown to have the brain of the gender that they identify with.

Women usually give birth to humans but not dolphins.  

Ok it may or may not make sense to feel distressed at not being the species you are but apparently it happens.  There must be something within the workings of their brains causing this.

[I_am_not_mafia]

Ok let me put it another way Paulpablo.

There is a medical condition X and a treatment for it Y.

I am not going to tell you what X and Y are to avoid unconscious bias.

How do you determine whether it should be available on the NHS?

It's a good question, how do you determine what should be available?

Personally for me I couldn't give a simple blanket statement for such a complex question and I'd have to judge each case individually.

Example.
Should the NHS pay for plastic surgery if someone has a big nose.  If someone has a little bit of an oversized nose but is emotionally unstable in dealing with it then I'd say no, maybe some therapy, if sufficient funds are available and it doesn't hold up anyone else waiting for more important treatment.
If someone had a nose that was 5 inches long then I'd definitely consider surgery for that person.  But that would have to be in a situation where money is available and there aren't people waiting for more important treatments.

So what about a person with a 4 inch lump on their face compared to a 4 inch nose? Or a 3 inch nose?

The problem is that the lines that you choose are arbitrary and are based on your own personal feelings and cannot be explained to other people. You are using a top down approach whereas you should be using a bottom up approach. You could instead ask the following questions:


How does the medical condition effect the quality of life of the patient?
Will the medical condition heal itself or does the patient have it for life?
What are consequences of not treating the patient?
Will we be having to treat other related medical conditions instead if we don't treat it?
How much does the treatment cost?
How effective is the treatment?
Are there other forms of treatment that we can consider instead and do they work?
How does this compare to other medical conditions and treatments?
Would our money improve more people's lives for the better if we spent it elsewhere?

[Losty]

No it doesn't. Women do not give birth to either humans or dolphins. Humans and dolphins have different brains.

Women do give birth to either boys or girls, and sometimes to intersex children. Male and female brains are different and transsexuals have been shown to have the brain of the gender that they identify with.

Women usually always give birth to humans but not dolphins.  

Ok it may or may not make sense to feel distressed at not being the species you are but apparently it happens.  There must be something within the workings of their brains causing this.

Fixed that for you.

[paulpablo]

The case of you somehow putting them on an equal level speaks volumes.

One is pretty much known and accepted by medicine for the last 40 years. The other you took from two or three of CLs posts. If not, care to provide a link to a medical study on species disphoria and how frequent it is.

Oh, nevermind. That's what it's supposed to be.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species_dysphoria

I can't find any peer reviewed articles on it. Not even 1

Is your concern that it doesn't exist?

[I_am_not_mafia]

Women do not give birth to either humans or dolphins.

Women do give birth to either boys or girls, and sometimes to intersex children.

Just to clarify, I meant that women do not give birth to something that could either be a human or a dolphin. They only give birth to humans.

But women do give birth to either male humans or female humans, and sometimes to intersex humans.