Easter 1916 Rising

[abaris]

Illegal by whose laws?

By the same law as everyone occupying and annexing foreign soil as their own. The Germans may have had the power to annex the Alsace in 1871 and they may have kept it, if they hadn't lost WWI. It's just that the more powerful country can hold on to what it occupied. But that doesn't make it right by definition. It's still occupied territory without it's population having any say on the matter.

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Can't argue with nationalists. As far as reason goes nationalists have a big fat error 404 sign attached. And I may add that I find it curious who's assuming nationalist and rightwinger positions, given their personal situation, strictly going by post record.

Assuming that you're talking about me here. I wouldn't really class myself as right-wing, not fully sure what I would say I was but definitely not right wing.

As for the "personal situation", I have an idea what you probably mean by that but still not sure how that would matter...

[Anomalocaris]

Illegal by whose laws?

By the same law as everyone occupying and annexing foreign soil as their own. The Germans may have had the power to annex the Alsace in 1871 and they may have kept it, if they hadn't lost WWI. It's just that the more powerful country can hold on to what it occupied. But that doesn't make it right by definition. It's still occupied territory without it's population having any say on the matter.

The case of Northern Ireland is far from that simple. In any case, many countries have successfully annexed territories without its population having any say in the matter at the moment, but have offered the sort of value proposition over time, not all without coercion, that successfully assimilated the population over time.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

By the same law as everyone occupying and annexing foreign soil as their own. The Germans may have had the power to annex the Alsace in 1871 and they may have kept it, if they hadn't lost WWI. It's just that the more powerful country can hold on to what it occupied. But that doesn't make it right by definition. It's still occupied territory without it's population having any say on the matter.

The case of Northern Ireland is far from that simple.

Correct, it isn't that simple.  But the 'legal' foundation for British (Norman at the time) possession of Ireland was the Laudabiliter, in which Adrian IV gave Ireland to Henry II.  Even if the Bull was genuine (and it probably wasn't, just a claim by the land-hungry Angevins), it wasn't legal, as Ireland wasn't Adrian's to give away.  Successive English kings continued to claim Ireland under Papal authority (again, not legal) until Henry VIII bullied Ireland into the COI Act.

In other words, English possession of Irish territory is essentially the result of a forgery, a theft, and a mugging.

Boru

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

In any case, many countries have successfully annexed territories without its population having any say in the matter at the moment, but have offered the sort of value proposition over time, not all without coercion, that successfully assimilated the population over time.

Read more on the history of Ireland under English rule, then get back to me on 'value proposition over time'. This isn't at all like the case of (for example) the Roman conquest of Britain - Britons were happy under Roman rule. The case of English rule over the Irish has always been more akin to badly used draft animals under the 'care' of a semi-psychotic drayman.

Boru

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So the OP was TrueChristian. Nice try.

[GUBU]

I've heard of it, and I think we studied it in history when I was in school, but I can't remember the names of the leaders.

Scumbags not worth remembering anyway.

Your racism is showing again.

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Scumbags not worth remembering anyway.

Your racism is showing again.

They're not a race.

You lefties love to throw the race card around a lot, don't you?

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[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Your racism is showing again.

They're not a race.

You lefties love to throw the race card around a lot, don't you?

Well, kinda-sorta, they are (as much as the word 'race' has any real meaning). Celts are genetically distinct from other settlers of the British Isles.

For what it's worth, Bella, I don't think you're a racist. Hate-filled and spiteful, sure, but not a racist.

Boru