Battleground God

[downbeatplumb]

Then why is scientific method and evidential standards constantly applied by atheists (not all) to prove/disprove concepts of God? If I said I don't need to scientifically prove God, I've already done it philosophically do you know how many atheists would be up my ass about that?

Is anything ever proved by philosophy?

Cant think of anything off the top of my head.

Philosophy can make you think in new ways but can it be used as proof of anything?

on Googling the words philosphy and proof together the top posts are all about gods 'existance' (or not).

[Edwardo Piet]

I like how Dan Dennett has said (to paraphrase) that philosophy is more about the art of asking the right questions than providing any definite right answers.

[tackattack]

And what exactly can science prove? Everything is indicative and some things based in the material are far more consistently reliable, but no proof. Also, getting a new perspective is tantamount to testing, removing bias and objectivity. You seemed to be on the start to the road of uselessness of philosophy, that's why I mentioned it.

[Edwardo Piet]

Sorry but I'm not sure who you are addressing? Are you addressing me?

I agree with your post other than the last line because I do not understand it, because I don't know who you're talking to.

[tackattack]

It was to dbp's line "Is anything ever proved by philosophy?"

[The Omnissiunt One]

Then why is scientific method and evidential standards constantly applied by atheists (not all) to prove/disprove concepts of God? If I said I don't need to scientifically prove God, I've already done it philosophically do you know how many atheists would be up my ass about that?

Is anything ever proved by philosophy?

Cant think of anything off the top of my head.

Philosophy can make you think in new ways but can it be used as proof of anything?

on Googling the words philosphy and proof together the top posts are all about gods 'existance' (or not).

Philosophy doesn't necessarily need to prove anything. Its main purpose, I'd say, is to equip us with the skills to challenge the assumptions and fallacies of everyday thinking, and of other areas. Hence there is philosophy of science, philosophy of language, etc., all of which are quite influential in those fields. Most scientists would accept, for instance, what philosophers of science believe constitutes science (falsifiability, etc.). Similarly, epistemology can determine whether we are justified in believing certain things e.g. miracles. So, whilst some philosophical queries, like the mind-body problem, and skepticism about the external world, may never be answered, the basic tools are very useful indeed.

[parrotpirate]

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I must have misread those questions, I think! (Bit three, but not direct hits.)

[Cinjin]

I'm Necro-posting the hell out of this thread because the game Tiberius linked was so interesting.

I did take one hit, which is no surprise because my deistic views are already in contradiction to my rational side, but other than that I got the 2nd highest award. I believe my contradiction in the game had something to do with evolution (which I agree with) vs. proof of god or something (which I don't believe is obtainable), and I may have just misread the question.

At any rate ... what a great game. Seemed pretty legit to me. So I'm reviving this thread.

[Jackalope]

I rock.

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[kılıç_mehmet]

I've bitten a single bullet. And that might have been due to the fact that I considered the person justified in itself.
Not justified by me, or someone else.