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Higher IQ
#11
RE: Higher IQ
I don't think about it.  Whether others are faster or slower does me no good.  In the end I have to make sense of things myself.  Even if the 'smartest' woman in the world says a thing is so, if I can't verify it for myself, I have to hold it as unsettled.  If a thing makes sense it will make sense to me.  If it doesn't make sense to me, there is a good chance people who disagree are wrong.  Is that conceit or base level self respect?  I think the latter.

Guess what I'm saying is I'm all-in on relying on my own wits so it really doesn't matter what any test shows.  I'm all I've got and I'm not complaining.
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#12
RE: Higher IQ
(June 13, 2016 at 10:27 am)RozKek Wrote: As some of you may have noticed I've had other threads talking about intelligence, the malleability of it etc because I am geniunely interested in it, I'd prefer not have any comments about how I shouldn't worry about this, how I should think less about this and do my best etc. This thread is not because I want to compare myself. I'm simply interested in how brains work differently, what are the signs, in what way they are different etc.

Now to the question; are there any members here with an or any members who know someone with a higher IQ of >120? If so:
1) How did you fare academically?
2) How fast did you learn a new concept?
3) Did you have to study much outside of school?
4) What was difficult for you to learn and what wasn't?
5) How did it feel being around people that had it a bit more difficult to learn new concepts, remember things, solve problems etc
6) When you solve a problem in let's say mathematics (you can use another example) what is your approach and thought process when solving it?
7) How was your experience when learning a new language? Did it come to you easily?

Personally I believe someone with a higher IQ has a much better and much more efficient thought process combined with a more powerful subconscious (pattern recognition, memory and such is very important too).

My mother was a school teacher in our school system. We were tested multiple times in school (others here may have been also and don't know it, it was not always presented as an IQ test), she had access, we heard our scores. Approaching 60, I'm confident that I'd be disgusted over my testing ability now.

1. Overall very well. In mandatory classes I hated, not so well.
2. Yes.
3. K-12 almost never. Undergrad 30%. Grad 50%.
4. Advanced Math. And what I found boring. 
5. Tolerant, tried to elevate them whenever possible.
6. Depends on the problem.
7. Same as memorizing music. POC.

IQ does not equal success.
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#13
RE: Higher IQ
I think I used to be quite smart, before all the drugs... Tongue

I remember taking some kind of IQ test shortly before high-school. People administering the test seemed very enthusiastic about my result, so much so, that they made me come again and do a whole bunch more tests. I know what you're thinking - I too expected them to molest me, alas - I was an ugly child and they didn't... I don't remember what my scores were, I guess it wasn't that important to me at the time. I was 14 years old, of course I knew I was the smartest person on the planet. Wink 

I took a bunch of self-administered IQ tests as an adult, like the ones available online. I usually scored between 120 and 140, depending on the test and how high I was, while taking it...

(June 13, 2016 at 10:27 am)RozKek Wrote: 1) How did you fare academically?

Very well at first. In high-school I discovered there were other things, beyond school curriculum and while I still excelled (by mediocre standards of my public school) in classes, that interested me, I neglected those that didn't, sometimes to the point of nearly failing the year. I wasn't all that interested in education at that point, largely because schools I went to never had many options for extra-curricular activities, or other ways of furthering my interests.

I went on to study philosophy at the University - mostly to avoid military service - where I did reasonably well, considering I failed to show up to most of my lectures and was mostly preoccupied with playing in bands and making music. But after 2 years I didn't want to remain a financial burden on my parents, studying something I had only a faint interest in and with no real prospective job options - so I dropped out and that was the end of my academic career...

(June 13, 2016 at 10:27 am)RozKek Wrote: 2) How fast did you learn a new concept?

Not sure what that means, but I guess - depends on the concept...

(June 13, 2016 at 10:27 am)RozKek Wrote: 3) Did you have to study much outside of school?

No. Didn't have to study much in school either. I'd just pay attention in class, for the most part. Read a few chapters of a textbook, before bigger exams. That kind of stopped me from developing any sort of discipline, when it came to learning stuff.

(June 13, 2016 at 10:27 am)RozKek Wrote: 4) What was difficult for you to learn and what wasn't?

Most things were/are fairly easy for me to learn, if I apply myself. But I've always found it difficult to put the effort into studying subjects which I considered boring. Music was perhaps a bit more difficult, than some things, because I don't think I ever had any particular talent in that direction, which may be why I stuck with it for a long time - because it remained a challenge. But maybe that's just because I taught myself music and I'm just as lousy a teacher as I am a student...

Also, anything that required me to take other people's emotions and irrationality into consideration - like social interaction with people of my age - was inscrutable to me.

(June 13, 2016 at 10:27 am)RozKek Wrote: 5) How did it feel being around people that had it a bit more difficult to learn new concepts, remember things, solve problems etc

As a book-worm kind of child I learned quickly, that most people are dull, insecure and violent. To be fair - for a smart kid - I took quite a long time, learning to keep my mouth shut and not come across as a "wise-ass"... Tongue

But it depends. I used to hang around with musicians a lot - many (most?) of them are thick as pig-sh*t. Didn't bother me much, as long as we were playing music. But at work, for example, dumb people drive me mad.

(June 13, 2016 at 10:27 am)RozKek Wrote: 6) When you solve a problem in let's say mathematics (you can use another example) what is your approach and thought process when solving it?

Again - it largely depends. On the nature of the problem, available resources, my motivation, intoxicants in my system. I'm not a very disciplined thinker.

(June 13, 2016 at 10:27 am)RozKek Wrote: 7) How was your experience when learning a new language? Did it come to you easily?

Languages come easy to me. At one point or another I learned 4 languages, not counting my native tongue, or the few semesters of Latin at the Uni. I also forgot most of them, because I haven't had much chance to use them - except for English, as I've been living in London for years now. But if pressed - I can probably still understand a fair bit of German, Russian and Spanish.
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw
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#14
RE: Higher IQ
(June 13, 2016 at 10:27 am)RozKek Wrote: As some of you may have noticed I've had other threads talking about intelligence, the malleability of it etc because I am geniunely interested in it, I'd prefer not have any comments about how I shouldn't worry about this, how I should think less about this and do my best etc. This thread is not because I want to compare myself. I'm simply interested in how brains work differently, what are the signs, in what way they are different etc.

Now to the question; are there any members here with an or any members who know someone with a higher IQ of >120? If so:
1) How did you fare academically?
2) How fast did you learn a new concept?
3) Did you have to study much outside of school?
4) What was difficult for you to learn and what wasn't?
5) How did it feel being around people that had it a bit more difficult to learn new concepts, remember things, solve problems etc
6) When you solve a problem in let's say mathematics (you can use another example) what is your approach and thought process when solving it?
7) How was your experience when learning a new language? Did it come to you easily?

Personally I believe someone with a higher IQ has a much better and much more efficient thought process combined with a more powerful subconscious (pattern recognition, memory and such is very important too).

Yes, I've been tested above 120.

Like Rob, I'll hide this because it's kind of long.


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Don't worry, my friend.  If this be the end, then so shall it be.
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#15
RE: Higher IQ
(June 13, 2016 at 3:26 pm)TheRealJoeFish Wrote: Yes, I've been tested above 120.

Like Rob, I'll hide this because it's kind of long.



This was insane, I loved reading through it seriously Big Grin
And I was mind blown here
TheRealJoeFish Wrote: I explained jet propulsion and caterpillar metamorphosis to my teacher in rather scientifically rigorous terms.
Also, I can help out with the swedish if you need Tongue In that case you'll have to help out with the French, I have studied it for two years now, I like it a lot but the lectures are boring as fuck, anyway I understood what the lady and you said, I'm impressed by myself.

This is a bit about how I was doing/am doing intelligence wise.



@All Anyway something I've always wanted to ask people with high IQ's whom are good problem solvers and like mathematics: Did you from time to time in around 7th-9th grade ever get mental blocks when doing maths? Like not understanding a problem, and just not figuring out how to solve it/why it is the way it is (<-- I probably annoy my teacher asking why something is the way it is in mathematics). And I'm not talking about problems that are usually way too advanced for the average 7th-9th grade. Did you from time to time get stuck on math problems presented to you in 7th-9th grade?
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#16
RE: Higher IQ
(June 13, 2016 at 10:27 am)RozKek Wrote: As some of you may have noticed I've had other threads talking about intelligence, the malleability of it etc because I am geniunely interested in it, I'd prefer not have any comments about how I shouldn't worry about this, how I should think less about this and do my best etc. This thread is not because I want to compare myself. I'm simply interested in how brains work differently, what are the signs, in what way they are different etc.

Now to the question; are there any members here with an or any members who know someone with a higher IQ of >120? If so:
1) How did you fare academically?
2) How fast did you learn a new concept?
3) Did you have to study much outside of school?
4) What was difficult for you to learn and what wasn't?
5) How did it feel being around people that had it a bit more difficult to learn new concepts, remember things, solve problems etc
6) When you solve a problem in let's say mathematics (you can use another example) what is your approach and thought process when solving it?
7) How was your experience when learning a new language? Did it come to you easily?

Personally I believe someone with a higher IQ has a much better and much more efficient thought process combined with a more powerful subconscious (pattern recognition, memory and such is very important too).

Yeah, ok, I'll add my 2 cents worth.  Though I would like to preface this with the comment that my brother (who is quite brilliant) claims that my IQ has a floating decimal point.  You know, it clicks one number left occasionally . . . then clicks back after I have created inspired chaos.  But sure . . . we were both tested in grade school, and again in middle school . . . skipped grades . . . off 'n' on Mensa members.

1) How did you fare academically?   I have two Master's degrees and a Doctorate.
2) How fast did you learn a new concept?   Usually very quickly.
3) Did you have to study much outside of school?   Almost never.  
4) What was difficult for you to learn and what wasn't?   I hated Political Science and Algebra.
5) How did it feel being around people that had it a bit more difficult to learn new concepts, remember things, solve problems etc   - - Hmm.  Not a problem.  UNLESS you have tried teaching them something 15 different ways and it still isn't getting through.  Then I get a little frustrated.
6) When you solve a problem in let's say mathematics (you can use another example) what is your approach and thought process when solving it?   --  ???  --  approach?  Varies, depending upon the problem.  And I'm not terribly fond of math.  I did the work, that's all.
7) How was your experience when learning a new language? Did it come to you easily?  -- Well, I don't think that my classes in French, German, and Spanish were all that good.  We had a lot of written work and memorization and almost no conversation practice.  So I can still read quite a bit but I'm not fluent in any of 'em.  
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein
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#17
RE: Higher IQ
(June 13, 2016 at 10:27 am)RozKek Wrote: Now to the question; are there any members here with an or any members who know someone with a higher IQ of >120?

142 here, on my last test some years ago ... no doubt it's declined, especially if you listen to my ex-girls.

(June 13, 2016 at 10:27 am)RozKek Wrote: If so:
1) How did you fare academically?

In high school, thoroughly average; the curriculum bored me. In college, 3.88 GPA.

(June 13, 2016 at 10:27 am)RozKek Wrote: 2) How fast did you learn a new concept?

That depends on the field. I have difficulty with mathematics, only studied up to trig and didn't retain much. Language, history, and music, I'm pretty sharp on the uptake.

(June 13, 2016 at 10:27 am)RozKek Wrote: 3) Did you have to study much outside of school?

In grade-school years, yes. High school in America, hardly at all, except for maths. College, a bit, but by that point, studying was (and remains) fun.

(June 13, 2016 at 10:27 am)RozKek Wrote: 4) What was difficult for you to learn and what wasn't?

Answered above.

(June 13, 2016 at 10:27 am)RozKek Wrote: 5) How did it feel being around people that had it a bit more difficult to learn new concepts, remember things, solve problems etc

It taught me patience, something I never learnt in school. It's easy for me to look down on others -- I'm an arrogant asshole at times -- but interacting with folks who may not know as much about subject X as I do taught me that they may know a lot more about subject Y than I could hope to learn.

So I had to abandon my own judgmental outlook and learn that intelligence comes in many shades. You're purple, I'm green and so on.

(June 13, 2016 at 10:27 am)RozKek Wrote: 6) When you solve a problem in let's say mathematics (you can use another example) what is your approach and thought process when solving it?

Reasoning is my heuristic no matter the field -- except emotional intelligence. In that regard, empathy becomes my guide; I try to see things from your point of view.

(June 13, 2016 at 10:27 am)RozKek Wrote: 7) How was your experience when learning a new language? Did it come to you easily?

My only other language, Spanish, came difficult to me, and while I can hold a rough conversation I'm by no definition fluent. The process was eased by having background knowledge of Latin roots and using that knowledge as a mnemonic. But I was 25 by the time I took learning a second language seriously; I learnt it from my girlfriend in Spain, with the help of a Spanish/English dictionary and a mad crush. Smile

(June 13, 2016 at 10:27 am)RozKek Wrote: Personally I believe someone with a higher IQ has a much better and much more efficient thought process combined with a more powerful subconscious (pattern recognition, memory and such is very important too).

Perhaps. But intelligence comes in many flavors, and I think it's entirely unique to each person, depending on how they process their own education and experiences. I'm suspicious of generalizations. I've met many incredibly intelligent people who can't learn a goddamned thing because they own the surest block to learning: certainty in their own thought processes and its results.

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#18
RE: Higher IQ
It's been a long while since I took an IQ test, but back in high school it was required for AP classes and I tested at 133.

1) Found most classes very easy
2) Very quickly.
3) Rarely did study
4) Didn't have trouble learning any topic
5) I was a tutor for this reason
6) Most of it is done in my head.  Only for the more complex problems do i need to write it out
7) Fairly easy, but not motivated to learn a new language.
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#19
RE: Higher IQ
So, I personally think that IQ tests are suitable for testing one's ability to take IQ tests rather than measuring anything particularly useful predictive about intelligence.  That said, I have undergone IQ testing twice, once as a pre-teen, and most recently about 5 years ago.  Both scores were >120, I'm not particularly interested in revealing what they are.

1) How did you fare academically?  In high school, meh - I was extremely bored with the curriculum at the start, and pretty ambivalent about it in the end.  In college, quite well - I maintained a 3.9+ GPA until I dropped out for non-academic related reasons.
2) How fast did you learn a new concept?   Generally speaking, quite quickly though that really only applies to things I'm actually interested in learning.
3) Did you have to study much outside of school?  Almost never
4) What was difficult for you to learn and what wasn't?  I would say that my success (not difficulty) in learning a subject correlated to my interest more than anything.
5) How did it feel being around people that had it a bit more difficult to learn new concepts, remember things, solve problems etc  I didn't find it much of an issue.  I have at times found it difficult to relate to people who's thinking is very black/white and not nuanced.  I don't find their thoughts generally very interesting.
6) When you solve a problem in let's say mathematics (you can use another example) what is your approach and thought process when solving it?  It varies.
7) How was your experience when learning a new language? Did it come to you easily?  I never attempted to learn a second language until well into adulthood.  I don't find it easy.
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#20
RE: Higher IQ
It's been many moons since I took my test, and I got a 140. I doubt I'd score that high now.

1) How did you fare academically?
Straight A's until I started having emotional problems and then started get B's,C's and the occasional D.

2) How fast did you learn a new concept?
Pretty fast.

3) Did you have to study much outside of school?
Very little.

4) What was difficult for you to learn and what wasn't?
Nothing was very difficult to learn, but I excelled in math and science.

5) How did it feel being around people that had it a bit more difficult to learn new concepts, remember things, solve problems etc
It could get frustrating at times, to be honest.  I felt like my education was being held back to teach to go at slower pace for other students.

6) When you solve a problem in let's say mathematics (you can use another example) what is your approach and thought process when solving it?
It depends on the problem.

7) How was your experience when learning a new language? Did it come to you easily?
Fairly easily.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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