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Is Consciousness external to central nervous systems?
August 11, 2010 at 2:42 pm
Below is a link to a paper I wrote detailing the reasons I believe consciousness exists external to central nervous systems. I realize atheists may have a problem with this notion but I don't understand why.
Even if consciousness is external to the CNS, that doesn't mean God exists, certainly not in the religious sense, anyway. However, it may imply that humans and animals are more than just dirt, and I know atheists hate the idea of that.
At any rate, here is my paper. It's short and easy to read. And if you have any comments on it, I'd love to read them.
http://www.veridican.com/paper1.pdf
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RE: Is Consciousness external to central nervous systems?
August 11, 2010 at 2:50 pm
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Animals and humans aren't dirt, no atheist will say that. Many atheists are spiritual, believing in external consciousnesses, just because they don't believe in God it doesn't mean they are completely exempt from belief in anything immaterial.
When discussing the Paramecium you have jumped to the conclusion that they have a consciousness similar to a human's. This is not the case, they cannot think as we do, they work on a system of negative feedback, their nucleus senses a need for food and they'll go eat.
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RE: Is Consciousness external to central nervous systems?
August 11, 2010 at 3:44 pm
*sigh* Precognition? That's part of your argument?
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RE: Is Consciousness external to central nervous systems?
August 11, 2010 at 3:51 pm
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(August 11, 2010 at 2:42 pm)Edward the Theist Wrote: Below is a link to a paper I wrote detailing the reasons I believe consciousness exists external to central nervous systems. I realize atheists may have a problem with this notion but I don't understand why.
Even if consciousness is external to the CNS, that doesn't mean God exists, certainly not in the religious sense, anyway. However, it may imply that humans and animals are more than just dirt, and I know atheists hate the idea of that.
At any rate, here is my paper. It's short and easy to read. And if you have any comments on it, I'd love to read them.
http://www.veridican.com/paper1.pdf
Your paper is trash. In the 1st paragraph you have attributed the bump & go behavior of a paramecium to consciousness. Apparently this makes my pool skimmer conscious as well because it displays the exact same behavior when "eating" leaves & bugs in my pool.
The rest is even more fail. Dumbass.
p.s. Enjoy your ban.
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RE: Is Consciousness external to central nervous systems?
August 11, 2010 at 3:52 pm
Just to let everyone know (including Edward if he reads this), but we have banned Edward the Theist, otherwise known as the ex-member and previously *permanently banned* member 'Edward'.
Sorry Eddie, but permanent means permanent. You almost had us fooled, but linking back to the website you created the last time you were here (after your amazing conversion from atheism to theism within the space of about 2 posts) was quite a stupid thing to do. Try harder next time...or don't; you aren't welcome here.
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RE: Is Consciousness external to central nervous systems?
August 11, 2010 at 3:55 pm
You picked up on that fast, Adrian.  Anyway, thanks for your diligence. That's one of the reasons why I love it here.
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RE: Is Consciousness external to central nervous systems?
August 11, 2010 at 4:03 pm
It's about time. That dude was really harshing my mellow.
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RE: Is Consciousness external to central nervous systems?
August 11, 2010 at 4:07 pm
Holy crap, I'm at a loss for words.
This paper is the biggest load of donkey shit I've ever read. You make arguments, then back them up by asserting that you saw shit resembling that of a dream you had. If you had submitted this to be published anywhere, I'm pretty sure the return letter would include a recommendation to a mental hospital. For a large part of this you seem to ask questions that are answered pretty conclusively if you had bothered to do any research on the subject at hand.
You have zero references, it's all based on your baseless assertions, and you don't demonstrate any evidence for an external consciousness, nor do you make any relevant connections.
I'm fairly certain you don't even know what Cosmology is.
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RE: Is Consciousness external to central nervous systems?
August 11, 2010 at 4:18 pm
I can reasonably state that I think we all knew that his idea of conciousness wasn't going to pan out, but I'm glad to see he at least delivered until the ban hammer finally fell.
Not that I can say we're the better for it, but still.
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RE: Is Consciousness external to central nervous systems?
August 11, 2010 at 4:32 pm
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Quote:I believe consciousness exists external to central nervous systems.
Then you are a fucking lunatic.
Ah....I see you are a banned fucking lunatic.
No loss.
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