One Bernie supporter to others OP/ED

[ReptilianPeon]

Yeah, Iraq is totally a bastion of LGBT rights.  And let's not forget what it took to actually get Iraq to make changes (and those changes haven't really been that vast).  Violence against homosexuals in Iraq is still rampant.

I think you completely missed the point. Saddam was toppled in an instant for NOT being responsible for 9/11. If Hilary wanted to, she could threaten Saudi with the same and, believe me, they would change. How many governments has the United States overthrown? Instead, everyone seems more concerned with Iran. Saudis are more evil than Iran.

[Cecelia]

So on one hand you're complaining about Hillary being a warhawk, and on the other you're complaining that she's not being war hawkish enough because she won't threaten Saudi Arabia with war if they don't do what she says? I'm not the only one who sees a problem with this line of thinking.. am I?

[ReptilianPeon]

So on one hand you're complaining about Hillary being a warhawk, and on the other you're complaining that she's not being war hawkish enough because she won't threaten Saudi Arabia with war if they don't do what she says?  I'm not the only one who sees a problem with this line of thinking.. am I?

Technically the Saudis already declared war against the United Stated with 9/11. With that in mind, I think I'm being consistent. Saudi attacked the United States first. The recently released secret pages confirm that.

Not that she needs to go to war though. A boycott would be enough. Plenty of other countries have lots of oil.

[Cecelia]

A boycott wouldn't do much. Did the Cuban Embargo accomplish much?

[Faith No More]

Hillary swamped Bernie with votes, there is no way it can be called rigged. Even with a flawed process, which you could argue, the total votes even if we gave Bernie the math some claim he should have had, Hillary still won the popular vote.

So, what you're saying is that it doesn't matter that the DNC was biased because she would have won anyway? Firstly, you can't know how much influence the DNC's shady tactics had on my he process. Secondly, that's a terrible precedent in you're setting, and you're sending the Democratic Party the message that they can undermine the democratic process as long as you're frightened enough of the other guy.

Look, I am not one of those die hard Bernie or Bust supporters, and Hillary supporters need to get over the delusion that this has anything to do with whiny people not getting their way. It has the do with the Democratic Party nominating a shit candidate that will perpetuate the rigged system in Washington that allows the elitists and 1% to run roughshod over the rest of us. People keep saying, "You have to vote for Clinton because Trump," but all I hear is "Sell your integrity and vote for the person that will screw you over slightly less." Well, I refuse to play this game of the lesser of two evils.

And before you all have a coronary, just know that my state will go to Clinon regardless.

[ReptilianPeon]

A boycott wouldn't do much.  Did the Cuban Embargo accomplish much?

But sanctions have worked against countries in the past, haven't they? Hilary could take this to the United Nations if she wanted to. Plenty of countries know how evil Saudi is and I'm sure they'd be happy to work with her.

You can chose to work with the mafia or you can chose not to. It's a matter of principle. And Hilary has no principles.

P.S. Comparing Saudi and Cuba is like comparing apples and oranges. First of all, Cuba's economy is far more diverse than Saudi's is. Saudi is mostly a desert wasteland where nothing grows. I'm not sure that they can grow enough food for themselves given all that desert but that's probably not the most important difference.

Also, they are two completely different systems of goverment and there are so many differences that can be listed. For example, one big difference is Saudi borders not one but two failed states in Iraq and the Yemen and you have Somalia and its rampant piracy across the Red Sea on the one side, bringing the total to three and those chickens are really anxious to come home to roost. Plus, their arch enemy Iran on the other side.

Saudi is only just now waking up the reality of those chickens wanting to come home to roost. Syria, Somalia, Iraq, Libya, the Yemen, Nigeria, Afghanistan and Pakistan are bursting with them. The recent bombings in Saudi were just the start.

Finally, Saudi relies on migrant labourers. Saudis don't wanna do the work of the migrants. The Kafalah system is fancy term for slavery. A lack of migrant labour is another thing that would cause Saudi to collapse.

[account_inactive]

Trumps gonna win.

U mad?

No, he will not if every minority and women and both Bernie and Hillary Supporters unite. I am mad at Trump and the GOP for not only 36 years of failed trickle up economics, but just as much the level of hate filled demagoguery and vile Jerry Springer bullshit Trump falsely thinks is "telling it like it is". 

This is NOT even a left or right issue at this point, this cuts to the core of how a civil society remains free and how global diplomacy is conducted. If you stupidly think it is acceptable for a western world leader to treat politics as shock jock radio, you are fool falling for a very dangerous person.

Do not think I am here to convert gullible Trump supporters. But I am telling Bernie supporters who ARE progressives and swing voters who are on the fence Trump is not an option and is a very dangerous person to both America and global stability.

Clearly mad.

[CapnAwesome]

I always find it curious how people support Trump.  Apparently LGBT rights, women's rights, and the first amendment (don't forget, Trump wants to limit freedom of press by opening up libel laws) don't matter to Sander's supporters.  All that really matters is defeating the establishment.  I suppose they should have supported Trump from the beginning if that's all that really mattered.  Policy isn't important, so long as the big bad Hillary is beaten.  

People always bring up things outside of the control of candidates.  Things like Saudi Arabia.  It's beyond the influence of Hillary Clinton to change how things work in Saudi Arabia.  Refusing to accept money for her charitable foundation on that basis is a ridiculous expectation.  Do you really think it hurts Saudi Arabia if Hillary refused to accept their money?  It wouldn't.  You wouldn't see any changes, because it wouldn't hurt them one bit.

What matters is how Hillary would govern this country.  She didn't name a VP who wanted to jail gay people for applying for a marriage license.  That was Donald Trump.  She didn't call for punishing women who got abortions.  That was Donald Trump.  She didn't call for opening up libel laws.  That was Donald Trump.   She didn't call for a database on Muslims, that was also Trump.  I don't see how any reasonable person could want a person like that to be President.  Especially if they supported Bernie Sanders.

*Bold is added.

I hear people say this sort of stuff all the time. "I don't understand" Really why are you celebrating not understanding other people's points of view? It's like a celebration of your own ignorance. Go on a pro-trump forum and learn. It's not that hard. People say they don't understand why people are voting for Trump like it's an intellectual strength or something.


Disclaimer: I'm not voting for Trump

[Cecelia]

I said 'reasonable people'. I perfectly understand why people support Donald Trump. He appeals to their Xenophobia, their hatred, and their contempt. I don't find those sort of people to be 'reasonable' by any measure. Even many in the Republican Party refuse to support Donald Trump. The big surprise is that Bernie Sanders supporters (who himself is as far from Donald Trump as they come) would be fine with a Trump presidency. All because he's 'anti-establishment'. (Yet he's admitted to being part of the oligarchy that they were so against that drew them to Sanders in the first place)

[Brian37]

No, he will not if every minority and women and both Bernie and Hillary Supporters unite. I am mad at Trump and the GOP for not only 36 years of failed trickle up economics, but just as much the level of hate filled demagoguery and vile Jerry Springer bullshit Trump falsely thinks is "telling it like it is". 

This is NOT even a left or right issue at this point, this cuts to the core of how a civil society remains free and how global diplomacy is conducted. If you stupidly think it is acceptable for a western world leader to treat politics as shock jock radio, you are fool falling for a very dangerous person.

Do not think I am here to convert gullible Trump supporters. But I am telling Bernie supporters who ARE progressives and swing voters who are on the fence Trump is not an option and is a very dangerous person to both America and global stability.

Clearly mad.

Yes and? So? Yes it is right to be mad when you have one politician employing Orwellian "Animal Farm" WW2 German scapegoating propaganda.  Don't coddle the bully when people are blunt and stand up to the bully.