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One of the most Ethical (and most lied about) political leader
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RE: One of the most Ethical (and most lied about) political leader
(July 29, 2016 at 4:42 am)Mathilda Wrote:
(July 29, 2016 at 12:37 am)Bella Morte Wrote: Maybe I do, maybe I don't.

You don't because you're not American, don't live in America and have no ability to vote in the US election.

So you may would like the opportunity but you don't actually have the chance to support him in any way except a few posts on a discussion forum.

Wtf, Mathilda, can't she support someone even though she doesn't vote? Where did you get that notion from?
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#32
RE: One of the most Ethical (and most lied about) political leader
For example, a lot of Americans and Europeans on this forum supported the Remain side during the Brexit campaign. They aren't British, most of them don't live in Britain and couldn't vote in the referendum. But yet they still supported the remain side.

To suggest you can't support something because you're not allowed to vote for it or live in that particular country is just fucking ridiculous.
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#33
RE: One of the most Ethical (and most lied about) political leader
(July 29, 2016 at 4:28 am)SteelCurtain Wrote:
(July 29, 2016 at 4:04 am)Little lunch Wrote: What a coincidence that the president who was kicked out for getting his dick sucked by his secretary, just happened to have a wife to fill the role some years later. No-one else was good enough. Her only rival now is a guy you wouldn't piss on if he was on fire.

Sorry, but your country's political structure is an obvious sham.

To be clear, he wasn't kicked out.

Sorry, my knowledge is admittedly limited. He was not a bad saxophonist, I do know that.
Apparently Monica could handle an instrument even better, but was no good at ordinary housework like washing clothes and stuff.
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#34
RE: One of the most Ethical (and most lied about) political leader
I will not vote for Hillary this year. However, the claims by her enemies regarding criminality (or her husbands) have never influenced me. I just do not see the evil.

"The problem with the people who have no vices is that generally you can be pretty sure they’re going to have some pretty annoying virtues."- Elizabeth Taylor






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#35
RE: One of the most Ethical (and most lied about) political leader
(July 29, 2016 at 12:24 am)Maelstrom Wrote:
Quote:Democrats are sick and tired of the endless lies about Hillary, the character attacks, the distortions of her record, the contorted caricature portrayed in the media. They want an unfiltered connection to Hillary without the prism of GOP-style talking points and false frames.

If the headline of this piece blows some minds, you can thank three decades of relentless lies and smears by the conservative attack machine and its mainstream media enablers, who have labored to create an aura of corruption around Hillary Clinton. Hillary’s detractors on the right, left and center reel off a laundry list of unsupported accusations with an air of absolute authority, as though it is simply a given that she is a terrible, horrible, no-good human being.

And that is precisely the intention: Taint her through innuendo and guilt-by-association, throw enough dirt at her that voters develop an instant negative association with her name. Accuse, accuse, accuse until the accusation becomes the reality, and may the truth be damned.

Read further:
http://bluenationreview.com/hillary-clin...n-america/

It's funny how there's not a single link to any facts in that article. It derides people for swallowing Republican's smear campaign without fact checking and then proceeds to just make bald assertion after bald assertion. I would have thought that if she was one of the most ethical politicians, it would be easy to demonstrate with facts and figures. Instead, we're left to just take this guy's word for it.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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#36
RE: One of the most Ethical (and most lied about) political leader
(July 29, 2016 at 4:54 am)Excited Penguin Wrote:
(July 29, 2016 at 4:42 am)Mathilda Wrote: You don't because you're not American, don't live in America and have no ability to vote in the US election.

So you may would like the opportunity but you don't actually have the chance to support him in any way except a few posts on a discussion forum.

Wtf, Mathilda, can't she support someone even though she doesn't vote? Where did you get that notion from?

I suppose in the weakest sense you could argue that. You could argue that you support a football team from home watching on TV but that's not actually support. That's cheering them on. Support suggests that you are actively helping in some way and making a contribution no matter how small. A supporter will normally be there in the audience cheering so the team can hear them. And a voter can support by casting a single vote.

Look at the responses Bella Morta got when she said she supported Trump. Maelstrom for example saying that it's her choice.

Anyway, don't diss a half German for being somewhat pedantic about language usage. That's half racist!
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#37
RE: One of the most Ethical (and most lied about) political leader
(July 29, 2016 at 5:15 am)Bella Morte Wrote: For example, a lot of Americans and Europeans on this forum supported the Remain side during the Brexit campaign. They aren't British, most of them don't live in Britain and couldn't vote in the referendum. But yet they still supported the remain side.

To suggest you can't support something because you're not allowed to vote for it or live in that particular country is just fucking ridiculous.

Fair enough, I suppose you could give Trump supporters moral support. Would that be meta-support?

Given them a decent education might be more useful though.
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#38
RE: One of the most Ethical (and most lied about) political leader
(July 29, 2016 at 1:14 am)Whateverist the White Wrote:
(July 29, 2016 at 12:33 am)Irrational Wrote: I can make up my own mind about her based on what I have personally observed about her, without letting some apologist for Hillary influence what I think.

Sure, people do exaggerate some of the negative stuff, but this one just goes the other way around. I'm not willing to accept that Hillary is one of the most ethical politicians.

You've just heard more repetitions of the lies against Hillary than the points in her favor.  Fallacy of repetition.

I don't get it. Can you rephrase please?
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#39
RE: One of the most Ethical (and most lied about) political leader
(July 29, 2016 at 11:16 am)Irrational Wrote:
(July 29, 2016 at 1:14 am)Whateverist the White Wrote: You've just heard more repetitions of the lies against Hillary than the points in her favor.  Fallacy of repetition.

I don't get it. Can you rephrase please?

I just think much of the ill will toward Hillary is the direct result of a deliberate strategy on the part of the RNC to cast shade on Hillary going back a very long time.  "Crooked Hillary" is only the latest iteration.  Of course I can't know to what degree your own displeasure with her is owing to that.  But they are deliberately exploiting a way our brains work and that could factor in.

Look, when I woke up this morning I finally realized why people were upset with Hillary over the DNC leaked emails.  (Sure wish someone had made the connection for me sooner.)  To immediately hand a job in her campaign to the woman who had been working for her in a role where she should have been fair to both candidates was extremely insensitive.  What the DNC did didn't shock me, but her handling of it is disappointing and shows lack of any genuine concern for ever achieving election reform in this country.
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#40
RE: One of the most Ethical (and most lied about) political leader
(July 29, 2016 at 11:33 am)Whateverist the White Wrote:
(July 29, 2016 at 11:16 am)Irrational Wrote: I don't get it. Can you rephrase please?

I just think much of the ill will toward Hillary is the direct result of a deliberate strategy on the part of the RNC to cast shade on Hillary going back a very long time.  "Crooked Hillary" is only the latest iteration.  Of course I can't know to what degree your own displeasure with her is owing to that.  But they are deliberately exploiting a way our brains work and that could factor in.

Look, when I woke up this morning I finally realized why people were upset with Hillary over the DNC leaked emails.  (Sure wish someone had made the connection for me sooner.)  To immediately hand a job in her campaign to the woman who had been working for her in a role where she should have been fair to both candidates was extremely insensitive.  What the DNC did didn't shock me, but her handling of it is disappointing and shows lack of any genuine concern for ever achieving election reform in this country.

I don't see her as bad as someone like Trump is obviously, and better her than Trump or any Republican. But I think just reading the words "most ethical" got to me personally because it felt like an insult to my intelligence. And that article was clearly apologetic bullshit. My brain just can't accept it.

As for the DNC leaked emails, that's not why I dislike her. I disliked her long before that.
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