TPP is dead

[dyresand]

Trade deals are good for prices and exports, bad for certain kinds of jobs.

There is a trade off. So while manufacturing jobs go away (and they are going away anyways with the advancement of technology), products get cheaper and there are more customers if you make something exportable. Overall, TPP would have been better for US consumers and exporters, (the former group is all of us) but would have had a not insignificant effect on manufacturing jobs.

To me, manufacturing jobs are like coal jobs, if you are planning on a future there, you're going to be up shit's creek. I work in a massive automotive plant, and there couldn't be a more stark difference between the crew manning the machining line that I work with (which is closing next week after being in service for 18 years) and the brand new machining area they just built for the big V8. Three times the crew required on the Ecotec engine (the old line). The new line is 1/2 the size, robots do more than just pick shit up and move it to the next station. Each station has articulating 3D robots that do everything. Even the visual inspections are done by infrared camera. The only reason machinists are there is to do bench tests on every 50th part.

The bulk of the crew is now young electricians with an IT background, because all of these machines are basically huge PLDs.

Robots and computers are taking all of the jobs, let's stop blaming trade deals.

There is quite a few reasons why i am against TPP  and i understand manufacturing is going away and stuff like that because of machines  will end up doing a humans work.
But hey said machines need repair anyways   so that's a trade off. Well what i am getting at is a large corporation shouldn't have the power sue the  government is what im saying.

[SteelCurtain]

There is quite a few reasons why i am against TPP  and i understand manufacturing is going away and stuff like that because of machines  will end up doing a humans work.
But hey said machines need repair anyways   so that's a trade off.

But these are increasingly tech jobs and not manufacturing jobs. Tech jobs are not going away. The industry is growing. Overwhelmingly why people are against trade deals is that 40-50 year olds who have been in the manufacturing industry their whole lives are suddenly finding themselves with little or no income. The union jobs that paid them $30-40/hr are gone. They're not leaving, by and large, they are just gone.

Well what i am getting at is a large corporation shouldn't have the power sue the  government is what im saying.

They already can. Any corporation can currently sue the US government if they feel the government has impinged upon the rules that have been set out. This is such a huge red herring. Ever heard of Hobby Lobby? If the US government enters into a trade deal with agreed upon terms, any member in that trade deal may appeal to the selected arbitrator via suit if they feel the agreed upon terms have been violated.

[abaris]

Whatever good TPP had (and I'm sure it had some), it was ruined by a number of terrible provisions, including one which would allow foreign companies to sue the US government if they passed legislation that negatively affected their profits: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/busine...st-us.html

If you care about freedom of speech, especially on the Internet, then the EFF have an infographic explaining how bad it could get: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/08/whats-wrong-tpp

I'm glad TPP is dead. It should never have been negotiated behind closed doors, and it should never have just bent over backwards to huge corporations.

It works in both directions actually. The major gripe with all these trade deal being negotiated behind closed doors always was the provision for foreign companies being able to sue for profit without having to go through the proper channels. Courts of Arbitration instead of proper courts following national or European laws.

Being against these agreements is actually the one and only overlap I have with European rightwingers, but the green parties are against them too. So I go with green, thank you very much.

[Minimalist]

This could get interesting......


http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/top-tax-...-congress/

Top tax-writing Republican says TPP trade deal not dead in Congress

U.S. Rep. Kevin Brady on Tuesday said Republicans should defend free trade and the party should defend the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP) in the new Congress.

“Republicans are going to continue to support the freedom to trade,” the Chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee said.

Maybe Drumpf thinks he can fire the Chairman?

Drumpf:  "You're Fired!"

Chairman:  "Go fuck yourself."

[KUSA]

Trade deals are great if they are fair. NAFTA sucks.