The most disastrous trade deal that is worse than NAFTA is dead.. 
But it makes wonder why the fuck would Obama try to defend it....
https://www.theguardian.com/business/201...ress-obama
but anyways it's dead i can say thank you Congress you earned yourselves cookie and a pat
on the back.

Did you even know what was in it?

Did you care?

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/busine...rship.html

Quote:“In the absence of T.P.P., countries have already made it clear that they will move forward in negotiating their own trade agreements that exclude the United States,” Mr. Obama’s Council of Economic Advisers wrote days before the election. “These agreements would improve market access and trading opportunities for member countries while U.S. businesses would continue to face existing trade barriers.”
One example is a bilateral agreement between Australia and Japan, which gives Australian beef exporters a price advantage over American producers whose exports are subject to higher Japanese tariffs; those tariffs would ultimately have been removed under the Pacific agreement.
“We are experiencing lost sales without T.P.P.” of about $400,000 a day as a result, said Kevin Kester, a California cattle rancher and vice president of the National Cattlemen’s Beef Association.

How am I supposed to evaluate that !

[taps toe in exasperation]

Bernie hates TPP.

Trump too.

Obama has a hard on for it.

Congress is (was) bipartisan support.

Hillary was against it before she was for it or vice versa.


You know, when ya don't know what the fuck you're doin', maybe you better not do anything till it gets clear ??



Stoopid moofoos running the goddam country; shit otta be obvious its the right thing to do or else do nothing. How fucking hard was that ?

Not Toilet Paper Patty!? Oh gawd, oh gawd, oh gawd! Why her??? SHHHHHH.

Whatever good TPP had (and I'm sure it had some), it was ruined by a number of terrible provisions, including one which would allow foreign companies to sue the US government if they passed legislation that negatively affected their profits: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/busine...st-us.html

If you care about freedom of speech, especially on the Internet, then the EFF have an infographic explaining how bad it could get: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/08/whats-wrong-tpp

I'm glad TPP is dead. It should never have been negotiated behind closed doors, and it should never have just bent over backwards to huge corporations.

closed doors, AGAIN ?

(November 13, 2016 at 1:01 am)Minimalist Wrote: Did you even know what was in it?

Did you care?

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/busine...rship.html

Quote:“In the absence of T.P.P., countries have already made it clear that they will move forward in negotiating their own trade agreements that exclude the United States,” Mr. Obama’s Council of Economic Advisers wrote days before the election. “These agreements would improve market access and trading opportunities for member countries while U.S. businesses would continue to face existing trade barriers.”
One example is a bilateral agreement between Australia and Japan, which gives Australian beef exporters a price advantage over American producers whose exports are subject to higher Japanese tariffs; those tariffs would ultimately have been removed under the Pacific agreement.
“We are experiencing lost sales without T.P.P.” of about $400,000 a day as a result, said Kevin Kester, a California cattle rancher and vice president of the National Cattlemen’s Beef Association.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stan-sorsc...14388.html

(November 13, 2016 at 1:29 am)Tiberius Wrote: Whatever good TPP had (and I'm sure it had some), it was ruined by a number of terrible provisions, including one which would allow foreign companies to sue the US government if they passed legislation that negatively affected their profits: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/busine...st-us.html

If you care about freedom of speech, especially on the Internet, then the EFF have an infographic explaining how bad it could get: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/08/whats-wrong-tpp

I'm glad TPP is dead. It should never have been negotiated behind closed doors, and it should never have just bent over backwards to huge corporations.

Yeah and such a bill should never have existed in the first place as it would make global warming worse off than what it already needs to be. 
Also copyrights would get even more ridiculous and among other things there is no justified reasoning in defending what is essentially NAFTA 2.0

ISDS is nothing new.  It is incorporated in NAFTA which has been around since the 1990's.

Trade deals are good for prices and exports, bad for certain kinds of jobs.

There is a trade off. So while manufacturing jobs go away (and they are going away anyways with the advancement of technology), products get cheaper and there are more customers if you make something exportable. Overall, TPP would have been better for US consumers and exporters, (the former group is all of us) but would have had a not insignificant effect on manufacturing jobs.

To me, manufacturing jobs are like coal jobs, if you are planning on a future there, you're going to be up shit's creek. I work in a massive automotive plant, and there couldn't be a more stark difference between the crew manning the machining line that I work with (which is closing next week after being in service for 18 years) and the brand new machining area they just built for the big V8. Three times the crew required on the Ecotec engine (the old line). The new line is 1/2 the size, robots do more than just pick shit up and move it to the next station. Each station has articulating 3D robots that do everything. Even the visual inspections are done by infrared camera. The only reason machinists are there is to do bench tests on every 50th part.

The bulk of the crew is now young electricians with an IT background, because all of these machines are basically huge PLDs.

Robots and computers are taking all of the jobs, let's stop blaming trade deals.