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RE: ALIEN Convenant
March 11, 2017 at 9:10 pm
King also remade Lars Von Trier's excellent Riget - The Kingdom - as Kingdom Hospital and claimed he got the idea while he was in hospital himself after being hit by a car. Von Trier got no credit until the DVD release.
As to Promethazine - sorry, Prometheus - it seems that Ridley Scott has some very silly ideas about characters that weren't even his to start with...
Quote:The film clearly shows that Engineers created life on Earth and then guided humans throughout our development, one day hoping that we would come visit them. But we did something very bad. So bad, that it upset the Engineers. And according to the movie, whatever we did, happened two thousand years ago. The only thing that could be is that we killed Jesus, who apparently was an Engineer as well. Here is a quote from Scott: "If you look at it as an 'our children are misbehaving down there' scenario, there are moments where it looks like we've gone out of control, running around with armor and skirts, which of course would be the Roman Empire. And they were given a long run. A thousand years before their disintegration actually started to happen. And you can say, 'Let's send down one more of our emissaries to see if he can stop it.' Guess what? They crucified him."
(Useless trivia: Ridley Scott was the first choice to direct Doctor Who's second ever story, The Daleks (aka The Dead Planet) but was filming a commercial and thus unavailable. If the above is any guide, it was probably a lucky escape.)
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RE: ALIEN Convenant
March 12, 2017 at 9:23 am
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(March 11, 2017 at 9:10 pm)Stimbo Wrote: King also remade Lars Von Trier's excellent Riget - The Kingdom - as Kingdom Hospital and claimed he got the idea while he was in hospital himself after being hit by a car. Von Trier got no credit until the DVD release.
As to Promethazine - sorry, Prometheus - it seems that Ridley Scott has some very silly ideas about characters that weren't even his to start with...
Quote:The film clearly shows that Engineers created life on Earth and then guided humans throughout our development, one day hoping that we would come visit them. But we did something very bad. So bad, that it upset the Engineers. And according to the movie, whatever we did, happened two thousand years ago. The only thing that could be is that we killed Jesus, who apparently was an Engineer as well. Here is a quote from Scott: "If you look at it as an 'our children are misbehaving down there' scenario, there are moments where it looks like we've gone out of control, running around with armor and skirts, which of course would be the Roman Empire. And they were given a long run. A thousand years before their disintegration actually started to happen. And you can say, 'Let's send down one more of our emissaries to see if he can stop it.' Guess what? They crucified him."
(Useless trivia: Ridley Scott was the first choice to direct Doctor Who's second ever story, The Daleks (aka The Dead Planet) but was filming a commercial and thus unavailable. If the above is any guide, it was probably a lucky escape.)
Well maybe King's version is fun to watch, because I remember watching Trier's and being bored, but not just that the Trier himself comes on screen after every episode and talks. So after, I think 2nd episode, he said "some may say the series is boring, but so is life" which was turn off for me. I really don't let entertainers get away with that "excuse". If I wanted to watch something pointless, boring and with no (dramatic) ending I have my own life I don't need to watch it on TV.
I mentioned Stephen King's Tommyknockers because "Prometheus" is remarkably similar to it and I also mentioned it being re-make itself because even in 1993 it was an old idea. What is also not remarkable is how much S. King re-makes other people's stuff in his books. For instance "Rose Red" is very similar to SF novel "More Than Human"; "Needful Things" has similar premise to "Something Wicked This Way Comes"; "maximum overdrive" is like expanded SF story "Killdozer"; "Christine" seems inspired by William Wharton "Birdy" although the car is not alive and a killer. But we can forgive King because he mostly writes pulp books for fun and cheap TV shows, but when you make a big budget movie then come on you can't just take some cliche story and paste expensive special effects on it, people expect more.
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RE: ALIEN Convenant
March 12, 2017 at 9:24 am
How the fuck is "Prometheus" similar to "Tommyknockers"?
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RE: ALIEN Convenant
March 12, 2017 at 9:38 am
(March 12, 2017 at 9:23 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Well maybe King's version is fun to watch, because I remember watching Trier's and being bored, but not just that the Trier himself comes on screen after every episode and talks. So after, I think 2nd episode, he said "some may say the series is boring, but so is life" which was turn off for me. I really don't let entertainers get away with that "excuse". If I wanted to watch something pointless, boring and with no (dramatic) ending I have my own life I don't need to watch it on TV.
I'll forgive you for that, in the spirit of vive la différence and all that - it would be very boring if we all thought the same. I have the first series on DVD, after I got sorta hooked when I caught it on late night television years prior. I really must track down series two; there's a particularly dramatic/comic sequence involving a staff meeting, the senior surgeon Stig Helmer, and a cup of coffee laced with tetrodotoxin intended for his rival that gets lost among everyone else's.
In any event, whether King's version is more accessible or not, it doesn't let him off the hook of claiming it as all his own work. I myself have written a book about a family man who goes crazy while looking after a haunted hotel - I call it "The Glowing".
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: ALIEN Convenant
March 12, 2017 at 9:50 am
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(March 12, 2017 at 9:38 am)Stimbo Wrote: (March 12, 2017 at 9:23 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Well maybe King's version is fun to watch, because I remember watching Trier's and being bored, but not just that the Trier himself comes on screen after every episode and talks. So after, I think 2nd episode, he said "some may say the series is boring, but so is life" which was turn off for me. I really don't let entertainers get away with that "excuse". If I wanted to watch something pointless, boring and with no (dramatic) ending I have my own life I don't need to watch it on TV.
I'll forgive you for that, in the spirit of vive la différence and all that - it would be very boring if we all thought the same. I have the first series on DVD, after I got sorta hooked when I caught it on late night television years prior. I really must track down series two; there's a particularly dramatic/comic sequence involving a staff meeting, the senior surgeon Stig Helmer, and a cup of coffee laced with tetrodotoxin intended for his rival that gets lost among everyone else's.
In any event, whether King's version is more accessible or not, it doesn't let him off the hook of claiming it as all his own work. I myself have written a book about a family man who goes crazy while looking after a haunted hotel - I call it "The Glowing".
(Bolding mine) Eerie coincidink. I've just finished my first draft of 'Moby Prick' (about a gigantic white whale no one can stand) and am currently working on the outline for 'The Murders In The Rue Johansson' (a fantasy is which Scarlett Johansson is murdered by an orangutan).
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RE: ALIEN Convenant
March 12, 2017 at 10:03 am
That is eerie. I'm also developing a short novella called "The Signage of the Three (Plus One)", the first adventure of my super-sleuth Barratt Holmes and his assistant Doc Whatsup.
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RE: ALIEN Convenant
March 12, 2017 at 10:11 am
You all seem to be experts, very good. I'm having some trouble with my victorian drama "Ambition and stereotypes".
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RE: ALIEN Convenant
March 12, 2017 at 12:33 pm
I'm looking forward to it, but really bummed the Alien movie from Neil Blomkamp seems dead in the water.
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RE: ALIEN Convenant
March 13, 2017 at 1:14 am
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(March 11, 2017 at 3:54 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Prometheus was retarded. I don't understand why they needed to go Däniken and in a lame way "Look there are dots on some cave wall they must represent stars - let's go there." I mean it's not just lame but also worn-out. You have group of people that discover caves that turn out to be buried spaceship and in the process they go trough biological metamorphosis. When Stephen King did same thing in book and TV show off that book "The Tommyknockers" was accused of re-making "Quatermass and the Pit".
And with this movie it looks like a soft-reboot. My verdict is INVENT SOMETHING NEW, or if nothing else take some SF novel/story and film that. There is plenty of that to be made. And why? Because this world need new, fresh ideas.
I didn't mind the ancient astronaut seeding earth angle too much, but it could have been done much better. In Jon Spaihts original script they find an obelisk underwater that is more like a Rosetta Stone for Engineer language. The whole idea of proclaiming them as our creators before even setting foot on the planet was pretty ridiculous. That should have been one of the big storyline reveals instead of some forgone conclusion.
(March 11, 2017 at 9:10 pm)Stimbo Wrote: King also remade Lars Von Trier's excellent Riget - The Kingdom - as Kingdom Hospital and claimed he got the idea while he was in hospital himself after being hit by a car. Von Trier got no credit until the DVD release.
As to Promethazine - sorry, Prometheus - it seems that Ridley Scott has some very silly ideas about characters that weren't even his to start with...
Quote:The film clearly shows that Engineers created life on Earth and then guided humans throughout our development, one day hoping that we would come visit them. But we did something very bad. So bad, that it upset the Engineers. And according to the movie, whatever we did, happened two thousand years ago. The only thing that could be is that we killed Jesus, who apparently was an Engineer as well. Here is a quote from Scott: "If you look at it as an 'our children are misbehaving down there' scenario, there are moments where it looks like we've gone out of control, running around with armor and skirts, which of course would be the Roman Empire. And they were given a long run. A thousand years before their disintegration actually started to happen. And you can say, 'Let's send down one more of our emissaries to see if he can stop it.' Guess what? They crucified him."
(Useless trivia: Ridley Scott was the first choice to direct Doctor Who's second ever story, The Daleks (aka The Dead Planet) but was filming a commercial and thus unavailable. If the above is any guide, it was probably a lucky escape.)
I'm on a few message boards that pick through trailers frame-by-frame, and analyze this stuff. I've read enough Ridley interviews and I think he throws ideas out. I think the space jesus angle was him throwing an idea out, but it wasn't really plotted in the movie.
We know two things in Prometheus. One is that the corpse was two thousand years old. The second is that Engineers visited earth more recently than two thousand years ago. Two of the artifacts that show the star "map" are actually dated much more recent. Mayan (620AD) and Hawaiian (680AD).
So four possibilities.
1) The corpse age was just some arbitrary number thrown out in the script with no thought to the star maps.
2) The star maps date was just some arbitrary number thrown out in the script with no thought to the corpse age.
3) Both of the above.
or
4) The ages/dates are correct and intentional. Which could mean there are multiple Engineer groups at work.
Unfortunately I don't think any of these questions will be answered in Covenant. They seem pretty content to act as if Prometheus never existed with the exception of David returning, and going back to the monster movie tropes.
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RE: ALIEN Convenant
March 13, 2017 at 8:57 am
(March 12, 2017 at 9:24 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: How the fuck is "Prometheus" similar to "Tommyknockers"?
Well in "Tommyknockers" they find caves which turns out to be alien spaceship that's also turning people alienish. And at the end they also find mean alien waking up and confronting them and also from what I remember spaceship takes off and then falls down. If we take TV miniseries the first half doesn't seem like "Prometheus" because it's dealing with it's residents and their daily chores but the other half when it's about the buried spaceship to me is the same shit.
I mean I'm not saying it's verbatim but the premise is similar enough. Just like when I watched "Avatar" that had the same premise from "Pocahontas".
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