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Martin McGuinness Snuffs It
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RE: Martin McGuinness Snuffs It
(March 24, 2017 at 8:52 am)abaris Wrote:
(March 24, 2017 at 6:54 am)Isis Wrote: I despise the IRA (and loyalist paramilitaries, although, admittedly, I did go through a phase of seeing them as "protectors" and "freedom fighters" in the past) but I don't know how to feel about this. Yes, he was an IRA commander and I certainly don't think his past should be forgotten that easily, but as you say, he did spend years working towards his goals in a peaceful and democratic manner. Even I have to give him credit for that.

What makes the French Resistance freedom fighters or the IRA terrorists? It all depends on the side you are on. But from their perspective they both fought occupying forces, using violent means. It's all in the eye of the beholder.

If you win, you're a freedom fighter. If you lose, you're a terrorist. If Norn Iron had devolved from the UK at any time before Stormont, McGuinness, Adams and their ilk would be hailed as 'courageous freedom fighters throwing off the iron boot of British oppression'. And if the Axis had won the Second World War, Harry Truman would, to this day, be excoriated as a genocidal maniac.

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RE: Martin McGuinness Snuffs It
(March 24, 2017 at 8:28 pm)abaris Wrote:
(March 24, 2017 at 8:23 pm)Tazzycorn Wrote: Hello, Bella.

Not even close, given the second half of the statement.

He is correct. The rules state that you can establish another account, providing that you don't operate both. I consider it a fresh start. No more shitposting in threads about subjects that I don't know enough about for me. I let my emotions get in the way of any actual arguments, that was another one of my problems.

I certainly didn't like Martin McGuinness by any stretch of the imagination but he does deserve some credit. As I mentioned a couple of weeks or so ago, you should consider joining the Slack. The odd debate happens there now and again but it is a lot more relaxed and laid back than the forum, in my opinion. It is essentially a more modern version of an IRC chat.

Now that you know my previous identity, I expect you or Tazzy to put me on ignore but I ask for one chance. I'm not looking for a conflict with either of you regardless of our heated "debates" in the past. I probably won't be around to the extent I was before anyway.
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RE: Martin McGuinness Snuffs It
(March 25, 2017 at 9:07 am)Isis Wrote: Now that you know my previous identity, I expect you or Tazzy to put me on ignore but I ask for one chance. I'm not looking for a conflict with either of you regardless of our heated "debates" in the past. I probably won't be around to the extent I was before anyway.

Why would I put you on ignore? I never had you on ignore in the first place.
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RE: Martin McGuinness Snuffs It
(March 25, 2017 at 9:13 am)abaris Wrote:
(March 25, 2017 at 9:07 am)Isis Wrote: Now that you know my previous identity, I expect you or Tazzy to put me on ignore but I ask for one chance. I'm not looking for a conflict with either of you regardless of our heated "debates" in the past. I probably won't be around to the extent I was before anyway.

Why would I put you on ignore? I never had you on ignore in the first place.

Perhaps that part was more aimed towards Tazzycorn then. The gist of it is that, as I mentioned, I'm not intentionally looking for trouble with either of you. That's not to say that we will agree on everything, pretty sure that goes without saying but hopefully we can disagree in a civil manner from now on (the previous incidents of "hostility" for the lack of a better word, being my fault, of course).

Have a good day.
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