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RE: Islam and first cousin marriages
April 26, 2017 at 7:12 am
(April 25, 2017 at 1:14 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: In Gone With the Wind, it's said "The Wilkes and Hamiltons always marry their own cousins." One shudders to see what the Wilkes family would have ended up like after all this time.
Probably something like this...
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RE: Islam and first cousin marriages
April 26, 2017 at 7:32 am
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Indeed, it is a popular practice amongst the Pakistani community, even the UK's first Pakistani peer has talked about the subject.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/c...ldren.html
Quote:Couples who are getting married should be forced to have a DNA test first to ensure they are not cousins amid growing concern about incest within Pakistani communities, Britain's first Asian peer has claimed.
Baroness Flather, a former Tory who now sits as a cross-bencher, said in the House of Lords that it is "absolutely appalling" that first cousin marriages in Pakistani communities are leading to "so much disability among children".
She said: "There are a lot of first-cousin marriages in certain communities, particularly among Pakistanis who come from the Pakistani Kashmir area. We know so much about DNA now, but there is so much disability among the children, which is absolutely appalling.
"You go to any such family and there will be four or five children, at least one or two of whom will have some disability. That is absolutely unacceptable, and if we cannot do anything about it, is it fair to the children?"
Baroness Flather, a former barrister who was born in the Pakistani city of Lahore when it was part of India, said: "Never mind the parents — it is not fair to the children that they should be allowed to become disabled because of a social practice. It is a social practice which does not belong in today’s age, when we know so much about DNA. There should at least be some rule which says that you must have a DNA examination before your marriage can be registered."
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RE: Islam and first cousin marriages
April 26, 2017 at 8:16 am
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I don't know how this is related to Islam; it's cultural in the core and a matter of personal preference.
Islam allowed, but didn't encourage it; rather encouraged interracial relationships:
Sura 49, Page 517, The Quran:
( 13 ) O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted.
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RE: Islam and first cousin marriages
April 26, 2017 at 8:06 pm
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(April 26, 2017 at 8:16 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: I don't know how this is related to Islam; it's cultural in the core and a matter of personal preference.
It's related to Islam because it's occurring in Islamic communities. And it's occurring in Islamic communities because Islam allows it and Muhammed did it and he is to be emulated.
It is a false equivalency to say that a rate of cousin marriages of approximately 1% among the population at large where it is frowned upon is the same as a rate of 50% in the Islamic community where it is often encouraged.
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RE: Islam and first cousin marriages
April 26, 2017 at 11:34 pm
(April 26, 2017 at 8:16 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: I don't know how this is related to Islam; it's cultural in the core and a matter of personal preference.
Islam allowed, but didn't encourage it; rather encouraged interracial relationships:
Sura 49, Page 517, The Quran:
( 13 ) O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted.
Does that actually mean to marry outside the nuclear family? Or is the "know one another" used here, as in the xtian buybull? See, I can interpret that phrase as incest. And I'll bet you nickels to holes in doughnuts that "interracial" isn't included in the meaning of that verse, either. Bring home an infidel from Asia, and see what happens. As if.
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RE: Islam and first cousin marriages
April 27, 2017 at 1:02 am
(April 26, 2017 at 8:06 pm)Crunchy Wrote: (April 26, 2017 at 8:16 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: I don't know how this is related to Islam; it's cultural in the core and a matter of personal preference.
It's related to Islam because it's occurring in Islamic communities. And it's occurring in Islamic communities because Islam allows it and Muhammed did it and he is to be emulated.
It is a false equivalency to say that a rate of cousin marriages of approximately 1% among the population at large where it is frowned upon is the same as a rate of 50% in the Islamic community where it is often encouraged.
Right; please answer the verse I quoted in comment number #23
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Quote:See, I can interpret that phrase as incest
Ever took a rorschach test?
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RE: Islam and first cousin marriages
April 27, 2017 at 1:05 pm
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Right; please answer the verse I quoted in comment #23
The quote is a digression.
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RE: Islam and first cousin marriages
April 27, 2017 at 3:12 pm
Crunchy Wrote:OK? But we don't live in antiquity.
The rate of birth defects and infant mortality is a significant problem. I'm curious as to why you seem to be counselling avoidance of the issue? Is it just because it's a sensitive issue?
Antiquity? First cousin marriages are legal in 20 US states.
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RE: Islam and first cousin marriages
April 27, 2017 at 7:13 pm
(April 26, 2017 at 8:16 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: I don't know how this is related to Islam; it's cultural in the core and a matter of personal preference.
Islam allowed, but didn't encourage it; rather encouraged interracial relationships:
Sura 49, Page 517, The Quran:
( 13 ) O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted.
Atlas, between you and MK you try to argue without the romance, but even without that what you fail to see, and even NEO and Steve and any Jew and Buddhist and Hindu, is quite simple. That was then, this is now.
Everyone quotes their holy writings. Everyone quotes their heros. Everyone quotes their histories. Everyone tries to debunk science and when they cant do that tries to retrofit science to point to their club.
Sura....verse yada
John/Mark/Luke verse yada
Buddha said yada
Torah Talmud yada
Baghavad Gita/Vedas yada
In my 16 years of online debate I have yet to see one follower of any religion make a unique argument. Sure the details are different but the argument always boils down to "I got it right and everybody else is wrong".
I am the outsider looking at all of them saying, "Hey guys, maybe your claims are way past their sell by date?"
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RE: Islam and first cousin marriages
April 27, 2017 at 7:59 pm
(April 27, 2017 at 7:13 pm)Brian37 Wrote: (April 26, 2017 at 8:16 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: I don't know how this is related to Islam; it's cultural in the core and a matter of personal preference.
Islam allowed, but didn't encourage it; rather encouraged interracial relationships:
Sura 49, Page 517, The Quran:
( 13 ) O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted.
Atlas, between you and MK you try to argue without the romance, but even without that what you fail to see, and even NEO and Steve and any Jew and Buddhist and Hindu, is quite simple. That was then, this is now.
Everyone quotes their holy writings. Everyone quotes their heros. Everyone quotes their histories. Everyone tries to debunk science and when they cant do that tries to retrofit science to point to their club.
Sura....verse yada
John/Mark/Luke verse yada
Buddha said yada
Torah Talmud yada
Baghavad Gita/Vedas yada
In my 16 years of online debate I have yet to see one follower of any religion make a unique argument. Sure the details are different but the argument always boils down to "I got it right and everybody else is wrong".
I am the outsider looking at all of them saying, "Hey guys, maybe your claims are way past their sell by date?"
Romance has its place; it fails and vanishes when you see a Thai man hanging his little daughter and broadcast it on a Facebook livestream.
The cries of the little one just blow romance out of the window. Religion must have answers for such things.
Quote:Sura 81, Page 586, The Quran:
( 1 ) When the sun is wrapped up [in darkness]
( 2 ) And when the stars fall, dispersing,
( 3 ) And when the mountains are removed
( 4 ) And when full-term she-camels are neglected
( 5 ) And when the wild beasts are gathered
( 6 ) And when the seas are filled with flame
( 7 ) And when the souls are paired
( 8 ) And when the girl [who was] buried alive is asked
( 9 ) For what sin she was killed
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/...03071.html
The video was haunting beyond limits.
Nothing made me rest Brian, but remembering this Sura.
Ancient Arabs used to berry their newborns if they were females. They used to get ashamed from women.
Nothing makes me rest but knowing that there's a judgment day, where these fathers would get brought back alive and rot in hell for what they did.
You didn't hear the cries. I did.
Romance just gets a thumb down in this situation, what other constitution would assure me that men like this one would get asked for what they did; never cheating with a quick death?
What does the verse before it mean anyways? souls get paird? were we 1 soul? XY and YY stuff?
Things like this make me believe.
I think the Quran gives things to wonder.
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