Do as I say, not as I do

[drfuzzy]

The best of men are men at best.

Hmm.  I did a little searching, and the only (church-based) polls that I found state that adultery by pastors is at about 30%, give or take a bit.  I was surprised, considering all of the two-faced sleazeball scumbag preachers/priests that I have met.  I would have put that number A LOT higher.  
    However, if you've got a guy standing up and claiming to be highly-educated, able to interpret Holy Scripture for the Masses, spending his days in prayer on a direct line to the Almighty, that number SHOULD be a lot lower.   Closer, maybe, to the percentage of criminals in America, which is about 4.5 percent.  Oh wait, these are PREECHURS.  Ok, it should match with the percentage of mentally ill in America, that's 18%. 
    But no, it's a full 1/3 of pastors that commit adultery.  The number is surely under-reported.  Surely it's higher for con-artists who have a following.

[Harry Nevis]

All I'm saying is the the moral failures of one man do not necessarily reflect on whatever social group or cultural institution to which he might belong. The other members must decide whether or not to retain him in a leadership position which is their right.

I would think they would reflect on an institution if the pastor has a personal relationship with an all-knowing, all-powerful deity.

[thool]

I've always thought that being a teacher meant that you have the skills and knowledge to help others grow in the subject area. If people benefited despite this hypocrisy, then you could argue that the fault was irrelevant. But this is someone who is leading a belief system based upon values, and the guy with the answers can't do it. He is not cut out for the job.

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[Amarok]

All I'm saying is the the moral failures of one man do not necessarily reflect on whatever social group or cultural institution to which he might belong. The other members must decide whether or not to retain him in a leadership position which is their right.

yes yes it does especially when that institution is a holier then thou as Christianity and claims it's morals come from a perfect source  

And choice  retaining him only reinforces the above

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Till the religious practice what they preach to the same level they preach it then they have no business preaching at all

[Angrboda]

All I'm saying is the the moral failures of one man do not necessarily reflect on whatever social group or cultural institution to which he might belong. The other members must decide whether or not to retain him in a leadership position which is their right.

5 If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you.

James 1:5

[Fake Messiah]

I've always thought that being a teacher meant that you have the skills and knowledge to help others grow in the subject area. If people benefited despite this hypocrisy, then you could argue that the fault was irrelevant. But this is someone who is leading a belief system based upon values, and the guy with the answers can't do it. He is not cut out for the job.

That's Christianity. It was made by hypocrites for hypocrites. Jesus himself was nothing more then a hypocrite. Jesus condemns people to hell for calling others "fools" although he engages in the practice himself: in Matthew 23:17 and Luke 11:40 he refers to others as fools. Jesus should be sent to hell by his own merit. Or he says that people should respect their parents but he denounces his own mother. Jesus tells people that they should not tell lies and yet he himself tells many lies. Like when he was crucified he lied to the thief on the cross when he told him that, "Today shalt thou be with me in paradise." How could they have entered paradise that day when Jesus lay in the tomb for three days? And he said he would lie in a grave three days and three nights and yet he was not even 2 whole days in the grave. And so on.

It seems that Christians see God, Jesus and clergy as to be exempt from morality and allowed to do whatever strikes their fancy.

[vorlon13]

well, the chronology works better for the Thursday crucifixion than it does for the Friday one . . . .

[TheoneandonlytrueGod]

I really hate to tromp on all your philosophic meanderings but it is a fact that Homo sapiens sapiens is not a monogamous animal otherwise there would, probably, never be infidelity. Just look at the Mormons and their instance that males could and should have multiple wives. You disagree? Then why did the females go along with that belief? It wasn't just because that culture mandated multiple wives but, rather, because of some genetic need probably a genetic hold over from a primitive culture that necessitated the need to maximize genetic diversity. I am not suggesting nor believing in the belief that males are superior to females physically, mentally, politically, socially or any other ways.

As I said above Homo sapiens sapiens is not a monogamous animal neither a male or female is less likely as the other to "stray". If we were monogamous infidelity would never, or at least seldom, happen. Straying has nothing to do with morality, it has to do with very basic human nature, i.e. maximizing the spread of one's genes in the case of the male and optimizing the "fittest genes" i.e. fittest genes by the female.

Of course in our culture not all males can unite with the most favorable females and vice versa. Is it better(?) to pass along your genes than to not pass them along? If so there will be some "infidelity".

Why not accept it and get along with life?

[vorlon13]

Mormon history is replete with existing monogamous marriages being dissolved so the women could be subsumed into the higher status males polygamous marriages.

IOW, I'm not sure too many of the women were asked . . .

[Thumpalumpacus]

The best of men are men at best.

So much for faith imparting morality, then.