What do scientists say about existence?

[bennyboy]

dilemma

If something has an intrinsic property, it is not dependent on discrimination or evidence, pretty much by definition.  To say the God idea is intrinsically untrue, you'd have to demonstrate that the God idea is fundamentally illogical, not just lacking evidence.

Now, that doesn't mean the God idea is correct; and certainly as an atheist I'm not surprised you're taking this position.  It will be WLC's burden to impress you enough with his brilliant logic that you'll start to seriously reconsider the issue.  But we know that's very unlikely to happen.

The concept of "God" is ill-defined, and many examples, such as the euthyphro dilimena, demonstrate the inconsistency of theism.  "Can God make a rock so big that he could not lift it?"  While Craig can answer all of these, it is because theism is so ill-defined, and hence, a concept that could not, in principle, ever be falsified.  It's like allowing division by zero in mathematics, 2 = 1 becomes a true statement, which means that any number can equal any other number, and as one mathematician demonstrated, one could "prove" that Winston Churchill is a carrot.

All this is true, methinks.

[brewer]

The concept of "God" is ill-defined, and many examples, such as the euthyphro dilimena, demonstrate the inconsistency of theism.  "Can God make a rock so big that he could not lift it?"  While Craig can answer all of these, it is because theism is so ill-defined, and hence, a concept that could not, in principle, ever be falsified.  It's like allowing division by zero in mathematics, 2 = 1 becomes a true statement, which means that any number can equal any other number, and as one mathematician demonstrated, one could "prove" that Winston Churchill is a carrot.

When it's a fantasy you get to make up anything your small little mind desires.

[Mariosep]

Well, no atheist here has so far dared to do genuine thinking, in order to come forth with his own personally thought out and written up concept of existence.

That is the proof that atheists here dare not do any genuine thinking.

And they are not from dna dumb, except that they take up with what I call:

Acquired Intelligence Deficiency Syndrome.

The reason why they dare not think intelligently as to come to their own personally thought out and written up concept of existence, is because in their heart of hearts they know that with thinking on existence they will not otherwise than face God existing point blank eyeball to eyeball.

So, I will be checking every morning what Oh ye atheists here are doing in this thread, just to see if any atheist finally gets guts, as to think and to put in print here his thought on what is existence.

And every morning I will just reproduce this post below, and await to be banned forever: because that is what atheist owners and operators of forums do to posters like me.

In one case the atheists there were badly fraught with fear from seeing my post repeated again and again after every morning, following some innocuous utterances from my part, and then bringing forth again my post on challenging atheists to what in effect it is to do thinking and they are not doing thinking at all.

That happened in a forum with the mention of religion in its forum title, the moderator there was so very much extremely disturbed by his own inadequacy to think, that he banned me forever and deleted all my posts in that forum.

And you know what is the reason for banning me forever?

Spamming.

Hope to see you all guys again tomorrow.

Here below is the reproduction of an earlier post:
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#50 RE: What do scientists say about existence?
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Dear Brewer, from the start you have been into evasiveness, namely, you have not said anything about existence, much less about what scientists say about existence.

And you don't because you are into the instinct of continuous evasiveness as a stratagem to not have to come to the issue itself systematically, God exists or not.

Systematic treatment requires us all to first work together as to concur on what is existence, that is why I am inviting everyone to contribute his thoughts on what is existence, including scientists, then we will work to concur on what is the concept of God I am propounding the existence of, and you are denying the existence of.

You see, Brewer, I am telling you and all atheists, you have no guts to take up the issue systematically, but you dwell stubbornly in evasiveness, because that is the way to keep safe in your un-intelligent embrace of the identity of atheist.

Okay, show yourself to be into the issue itself of God exists or not, with first contributing your concept of what is existence.

Dear readers and atheists here, you also all think up what is existence and present it here, and we will work out a mutually agreed on concept of what is existence, otherwise we are irrational talking past each other's head.

Here is again my concept of what is existence plus four examples:

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     This is an invitation for us all who are keen to know what is existence, what is a scientist, and does God exist, God from my part, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning, for us all to collaborate to resolve the meanings of existence, scientist, and God.

     From my part, existence is the reality which reality is the object of a living man having awareness, i.e. being conscious of his experiencing the presence of the said object.

     An example of existence is our nose.

     Another example of existence is the computer monitor screen we are looking at to read this post.

     A third example of existence is the rose in our flower garden.

     A fourth example of existence is the sun in the day sky and the moon in the night sky.

     What do you say, guys here: Do you have your idea of what is existence?

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   Been here all along, it's fun to read your delusional idiocy.

   You claim god is the creator and therefore exists, well then prove it. god existing as a "concept" is a fantasy delusion, a non supportable product of the mind, no more believable than superman or santa.

   Congratulations, you bought into a fantasy delusion that is even not of your making. Other men made it and it sucked you in. Poor insecure delusional twit that you are.
   God(s) and religions are man made and the bane of humanity.

   Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most. Ozzy or Twain/take your pick
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There, I have finished all the new posts here in my thread, and thank you so much, it is really a joyful sigh from me that you all react to my posts, no matter that you also hurl harsh language on me.

But I am terribly disappointed because you none of you have presented what is your thinking on your own very personally thought up and written out concept of what is existence, perhaps you are not accustomed to do genuine thinking at all.

Still it is not too late to start the custom of genuine thinking, grounded on observation and guided by truths, facts, logic, and the best thoughts of mankind from since the dawn of conscious reason.

Now, I am telling you again that you are into what I call:

Acquired Intelligence Deficiency Syndrome.

I beg of you, put away that acquisition, and now at this point at least in time, THINK INTELLIGENTLY on the words from Stimbo below I put in bold, and see how un-intelligent she speaks, though she feels so smug with having said something, Oh so abysmally deep, deep: that in the process she forgot to read it again after first draft, and I have always taught my students, When you write something always read it again carefully to see if everything in it is intelligent.


See you guys all again tomorrow



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Dear real powers that be here in this forum website, thanks that I am here again, for I thought that I was banned forever, and I just the day before yesterday had to look up a forum to do writing in, because the Debate.org was down indefinitely for mysterious factors, and even when I deleted all its cookies, still it was down to my internet service provider.

Thanks, because now I recall Stimbo was the one who it seemed then kept me out here.

I hope this note here does not stir up some parties here to get me boycotted out again.

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   Nobody cares what scientists say about anything. All that matters is what the science says.


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[brewer]

That's the best you got? Repeating yourself followed by copy paste. You are the perfect example of the catch phrase "a mind is a terrible thing to waste". 

The theist saying that "god does not make mistakes" may need to be revised.

[LastPoet]

I guess some of us are more invested in existing than to waste time about existence.

[Mr.Obvious]

What a bullshit question anyways?
What is existance?

If that's as vague a term as you are going to use:
Existance is.
That is all.

[Jehanne]

Well, no atheist here has so far dared to do genuine thinking, in order to come forth with his own personally thought out and written up concept of existence.

That is the proof that atheists here dare not do any genuine thinking.

And they are not from dna dumb, except that they take up with what I call:

Acquired Intelligence Deficiency Syndrome.

The reason why they dare not think intelligently as to come to their own personally thought out and written up concept of existence, is because in their heart of hearts they know that with thinking on existence they will not otherwise than face God existing point blank eyeball to eyeball.

The answer to your question can be found in Quantum Field Theory.  The Universe can exist because it must exist.  "Non existence" is a non-sequitur, a physical impossibility, kind of like -350 Celsius.

[Pat Mustard]

<snipping shitty little unevidenced assertions for reasons of aesthetics>

Mariosep, there's no point posting your bullshit here, nobody's listening to you. We've all heard the same old bullshit a thousand times and more and we've long learned to ignore it. Either put up something that you can back up with evidence or shut up.

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How do you guys even read Mario's posts? I keep trying to read them but I don't know what they're saying.

I don't. After reading his first ten posts, I realised he is on an endless one sided loop (a Möbius strip, if you will) and he just endlessly repeats himself ad nauseum ad infinitum, never adding anything new to a conversation, never adapting to external inputs and never changing his position after being shown to be wrong.

[Little lunch]

Mariosep, I find your attitude arrogant and condescending.
Go and ask your x-tian friends about existence and see how much thinking they do on the subject.
'Duuhhh, god did it.'
This is exactly what you're doing.
I don't like to call people dumb but I would say you aren't as smart as you think you are.
I think you're here to mentally masturbate and pat yourself on the back.
Is an atheist forum a right of passage for some x-tians?
'I've been to the atheist lair and lived to tell the tale, and my question must have had them stumped because they banned me.'
Keep in mind, we're here to talk with each other.
I've been to church with my mum before and I didn't walk around telling everyone they've got AIDS.

[Cyberman]

Sorry, Mario, the princess is in another castle.