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Wake up!
#1
Wake up!
Does God really exist?

Why would anyone with a brain not question writings of over two thousand years ago which profess to be divine in origin, written and then translated from two ancient languages (Aramaic & Hebrew)? I mean Really, let’s look at it logically. Think about it. All the stories from the bible, The Garden of Eden, The parting of the Red Sea, Noah’s Ark, David and Goliath, Sodom and Gomorra, The Resurrection . . .They’re myths. Archetypal, Monumental, clever, resonant – but still myths. People believe in God because they need that comfort, that crutch, but it’s a primitive masquerade, A bunch of tales cobbled together a couple thousand years ago by some very savvy guys in order to turn a superstitious world into one they themselves could control.

At some point, The members of this ancient cult had the great Idea (which only naturally follows)” Hey guys, We can make some money at this”. That’s religion. It’s about control, and about money. Belief in the absurd is also a very dangerous thing. The people who flew the planes into the twin towers knew FOR A FACT that they would be instantly transported to heaven for what they had done. They weren't hoping; they believed it completely.

From The Bible:
Numbers 31:17-18
"Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." One and a half thousand years later, people were still burning witches. Is this God’s will or mans?

It wasn’t until the 18th century that we began to wise up as science started to explain the previously unexplainable. But now? With everything we know? We’ve sent men to the moon, We’ve mapped the human genome, we’ve sent probes the furthest reaches of our solar system. We can now see to the very edge of the known universe some 15,000,000,000 light years distant. We have made discoveries that just a few decades ago were unfathomable. The Idea that some wondrous, unknowable, invisible, all knowing and all-powerful deity is in control of all things is laughable.

The only reason, the only need to believe in God is to explain where all of this came from right? Where WE came from. But it doesn’t work. If there was a creator, a designer of the universe, then there had to be a creator to create the creator and so on. It just doesn’t hold water. If you ask a pastor or preacher or Pope or whoever the simplest question, you’ll just get sound bites, , “You must have faith”, “I’ll prey about it”, “She’s with God now”, “He’s testing us”, “it’s God’s will” and all kinds of other platitudes that, frankly, sound like complete lunacy. I mean, get real, You can’t reconcile religion with modern life. Knowledge and science tell us so. We know that evolution is fact. That Darwin was right. The world was not created six days.

Which is the most likely scenario? That an all knowing, all seeing, all powerful God who refuses to make himself seen, created the universe and everything in it and Man in HIS image, or that Man, not able to explain what he could not yet understand, Created God to fill the void? With no proof whatsoever, people believe in God. That’s fact. They actually believe they can have a one way conversation with god and that he hears every word they say.

If we look at it psychologically, People in general are social by nature. In prehistoric times, it was a matter of survival. It’s in our very DNA. Therefore, it’s not a stretch to say, we created the Gods simply so we wouldn’t be alone in the universe. Organized religion is a business and has been from day one. Polytheism, then Monotheism. The promise of immortality being the reward for your belief, your labor, your money.

When will we wake up? If God does exist, Prove it. I, for one, can not.



Rob Hollar

Two videos that say a lot for me:

Niel deGrasse Tyson: the God of the Gaps

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vrpPPV_yPY

And a little known music video from the 80's: XTC - Dear God

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk41Gbjljfo

Yes, I've become quite militant about my atheism.

Get a copy of the book, The God Delusion and you'll realize that religion isn't just silly, it's extremely dangerous.

Oh, did you hear about the atheist in Australia who was convicted and sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping young boys?
Just kidding; it was a priest.



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#2
RE: Wake up!
That was a good read, i'm glad to see there's some more like minded people voicing their minds about religion and atheism!

Here're a handful of threads i've talked about this stuff in- you might find the Moses one particularly interesting.

http://atheistforums.org/thread-4684.html

http://atheistforums.org/thread-5001.html

http://atheistforums.org/thread-4952-page-5.html

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RE: Wake up!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg8Oq_Sd3Bw

Sorry, I couldn't resist.
Comparing the Universal Oneness of All Life to Yo Mama since 2010.

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I was born with the gift of laughter and a sense the world is mad.
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RE: Wake up!
Quote:written and then translated from two ancient languages (Aramaic & Hebrew)?


If I might offer one small observation, we have no evidence that the OT existed in Hebrew or Aramaic. It was all written in Greek c 275 BCE in a version known as the Septuagint.

Perhaps the Jews translated it into "Hebrew" when they got around to it? In any case, there is no evidence of the Torah existing in "Hebrew" prior to 275 BCE.

The closest they can come is two versions of the same prayer found in 1979 by Gabriel Barkay on the so-called Silver Scrolls.
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#5
RE: Wake up!
The strongest support for lack of faith in god seems to me the absence of evidence for the existence of god.

Sure there are mountains of both reprehensible matters advocated as morality and contradition/impossibilities in religious text, but if that is relied upon, it could always be argued "But what about X?"

But as to your question, people behave strangely in groups; are not purely rational actors. I recall a study that when subjects were questioned on simple observable attributes, they were more likely to change their answer if the many other people around them confidently answered the wrong result.

Have you ever seen Life of Brian?

You are all individuals!
"People need heroes. They don't need to know how he died clawing his eyes out, screaming for mercy. The real story would just hurt sales, and dampen the spirits of our customers." - Mythology for Profit
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