Serpico backs Kaepernick.

[Brian37]

Well that’s way off in left field concerning the NFL and claims of racism.

But concerning the statues, I absolutely believe they should stay for a number of reasons. First off, it’s been stated that those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it. The civil war shouldn’t be swept under the rug and ripping down statues because it melts the snowflake’s little uneducated hearts ranks right up there with the beliefs of ISIS and Hitler. Also, anyone that believes that the civil war was fought because of slavery or that President Lincoln was a friend of the black people is horribly uneducated. They are honestly at an elementary special education American history level at best.

The civil war was fought because the southern states had a smaller population than the northern states. Because of that, they did not have equal representation within the federal government. Because of this, the southern states wanted to break away and form their own nation. So, for about three years, the issue of slavery never came up.

The Emancipation Proclamation was a military policy that didn’t come to be until near the end of the war. It also did not include ending slavery in states like Delaware, Maryland, Kentucky, or Missouri. Lincoln was okay with slavery staying there for a while. Lincoln himself even stated “I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races”. Lincoln himself actually wanted to send black people back to where they came from and not allow them to stay in the United States.

The fact that people want to rip down statues because they think that they stand for slavery is pure uneducated stupidity. Very very very few people of that time frame had any concern or respect for anyone that wasn’t a white male. That quite clearly included President Lincoln and simply was a very minor concern throughout the war.
Those who think of slavery when they see the generals of the south, have a very shallow depth of education and I would argue are far dumber than the statues that hurt their uneducated little liberal feeling. Fun to laugh at though. I won’t argue that for a second. Anyone that wants to support social justice because of the risks brought on by a metal or concrete statue of a guy on a horse that’s been standing for 100 years already, really just turns the evening news into a comedy show skit.

No it isn't you fucking dipshit.

He is addressing a very deep rooted history, but morons like you like to compartmentalize and cherry pick. 

Now unless you can answer the question of whether or not statues glorifying men who fought to keep slavery, you are proving my point. 

Our nation has not faced head on our deep psychology at a wide enough scale. He is simply doing the same thing others have done in pointing out that we have not faced this history head on.

He is not falsely playing victim, he is pointing out that our nation has not genuinely faced our collective history.

NOW grow the fuck up, stop crying like a fucking baby, and shut the fuck up and actually listen, you might actually learn something, like actually how to move forward without our divisions.

But do not expect me to coddle your insecurities.

[Court Jester]

I’ve got no insecurities in that area. Hell, I have a black wife and we both think uneducated people are just funny. She doesn’t like Kaepernick either though. Maybe she’s racist. She does know though that the civil war had little to do with slavery.

[Brian37]

I’ve got no insecurities in that area. Hell, I have a black wife and we both think uneducated people are just funny. She doesn’t like Kaepernick either though. Maybe she’s racist. She does know though that the civil war had little to do with slavery.

Once again, making your sample a totality of a larger sample. 

So, and my X wife is Japanese but you don't see me making excuses for dropping bombs on Heroshima and Nagasaki. You don't see me making excuses for Japanese internment during the war. 

I don't care that you have a black wife. Kap is black too, and Thena here is black too. So why don't you have your black wife join and argue with Thena. 

If the Civil war had nothing to do with slavery then why did one side fight to keep it? THAT is fucking nonsense. 

IT MOST CERTAINLY WAS about slavery. The Whites of the South were SLAVE OWNERS. And the fact that we still have asshole KKK members today pointing to that history crying they are a superior race TODAY says to me the value of that horrible history is still here. 

"I don't do it" is a cop out. Nobody is saying you are responsible. But if your argument is "I didn't do it" or "I have a black wife", is bullshit. 

If there is group who needs to "get over it" it wouldn't  be blacks, it would be the fuckface assholes who want to defend icons to a horrible history.

[Court Jester]

I’ve got no insecurities in that area. Hell, I have a black wife and we both think uneducated people are just funny. She doesn’t like Kaepernick either though. Maybe she’s racist. She does know though that the civil war had little to do with slavery.

Once again, making your sample a totality of a larger sample. 

So, and my X wife is Japanese but you don't see me making excuses for dropping bombs on Heroshima and Nagasaki. You don't see me making excuses for Japanese internment during the war. 

I don't care that you have a black wife. Kap is black too, and Thena here is black too. So why don't you have your black wife join and argue with Thena. 

If the Civil war had nothing to do with slavery then why did one side fight to keep it? THAT is fucking nonsense. 

IT MOST CERTAINLY WAS about slavery. The Whites of the South were SLAVE OWNERS. And the fact that we still have asshole KKK members today pointing to that history crying they are a superior race TODAY says to me the value of that horrible history is still here. 

"I don't do it" is a cop out. Nobody is saying you are responsible. But if your argument is "I didn't do it" or "I have a black wife", is bullshit. 

If there is group who needs to "get over it" it wouldn't  be blacks, it would be the fuckface assholes who want to defend icons to a horrible history.

Well, my wife if a bit more religious than me. I can hit her up though and see what she says.   

Just because a black football player gets cut from the team doesn’t mean that race was ever involved. The guy is a Castro supporter though. That can’t be winning him too many fans, and as previously stated; he does bring negative press along with him. You’ve still not proven that racism had a roll from any team either.

And back to the war…. They fought for equal representation in the federal government, which is why we now see the current numbers of representatives in the Congress and Senate. Slavery was a very late afterthought. They were absolutely not fighting for slavery until it just got added to the to-do list by Lincoln very late in the game.  

Parts of Delaware and Kentucky and all of Missouri were fighting for the Union and they kept their slaves after the war ended. There were actually quite a few slaves in the northern states, just not quite the population due to the larger agricultural sector of the south at the time. There were also some very prominent black slave owners in the south as well.

Shoot me you address man. I can mail you a history book if you’d like. I can try to find one with lots of pictures if that would help too.   

[Brian37]

Once again, making your sample a totality of a larger sample. 

So, and my X wife is Japanese but you don't see me making excuses for dropping bombs on Heroshima and Nagasaki. You don't see me making excuses for Japanese internment during the war. 

I don't care that you have a black wife. Kap is black too, and Thena here is black too. So why don't you have your black wife join and argue with Thena. 

If the Civil war had nothing to do with slavery then why did one side fight to keep it? THAT is fucking nonsense. 

IT MOST CERTAINLY WAS about slavery. The Whites of the South were SLAVE OWNERS. And the fact that we still have asshole KKK members today pointing to that history crying they are a superior race TODAY says to me the value of that horrible history is still here. 

"I don't do it" is a cop out. Nobody is saying you are responsible. But if your argument is "I didn't do it" or "I have a black wife", is bullshit. 

If there is group who needs to "get over it" it wouldn't  be blacks, it would be the fuckface assholes who want to defend icons to a horrible history.

Well, my wife if a bit more religious than me. I can hit her up though and see what she says.   

Just because a black football player gets cut from the team doesn’t mean that race was ever involved. The guy is a Castro supporter though. That can’t be winning him too many fans, and as previously stated; he does bring negative press along with him. You’ve still not proven that racism had a roll from any team either.

And back to the war…. They fought for equal representation in the federal government, which is why we now see the current numbers of representatives in the Congress and Senate. Slavery was a very late afterthought. They were absolutely not fighting for slavery until it just got added to the to-do list by Lincoln very late in the game.  

Parts of Delaware and Kentucky and all of Missouri were fighting for the Union and they kept their slaves after the war ended. There were actually quite a few slaves in the northern states, just not quite the population due to the larger agricultural sector of the south at the time. There were also some very prominent black slave owners in the south as well.

Shoot me you address man. I can mail you a history book if you’d like. I can try to find one with lots of pictures if that would help too.   

No, and not because of you, I NEVER give out personal info on line for any reason. 

If you want to make it about her, then she can join here and debate other blacks. But I woudn't go around claiming just because of her, that all blacks agree. That is as stupid as saying all atheists agree. 

I don't need a "history lesson", slavery existed, slavery was wrong, only one side of the war fought to keep that horrible institution. Not that fucking complicated.

[Court Jester]

You're a very special person and I respect that.

[Brian37]

You're a very special person and I respect that.

NO, I am not "special". Our plant is 4 billion years old, our universe is 13.8 billion years old, and have been around longer than I have been and will be here long after I am gone. If you want to find narcissism look no further than religion. 

And FYI, I don't like the word "respect", I never use it. I say "value" instead. "Respect" is far too much never used in the intent the user says it. Far to often it really means, "Don't bruise my ego." and "Know your place."

I certainly value human rights, but claims do not deserve blind value outside the right to make the claim. Others have the right to call the claim crappy and or demand evidence for what they assert. I am under no obligation to buy it blindly or never criticize a claim at all.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Kaepernick not being signed is not a decision based on race. It is a business decision. NFL owners know that football fans tend to value patriotism more than non-fans, and will look askance at supporting a team featuring someone who is that open with his criticism of this country.

[Seraphina]

Auh. Kaepernick had a few good games and washed out just like thousands of football players before him. Typical liberal logic. If you can't get your way, scream racism. The NFL won't lose more than a few pennies over this at most.

FUCK YOU ASSHOLE.

3rd string or practice squad, racism is racism. I am sorry he bothers you but that is your fucking baggage, not his.

I am white asshole, I don't have an NFL career and I support him. This isn't about blackmail fuckface. You are a delusional asshole and selfish and tone def if you think that is why he did what he did. 

You are displaying the same insecurity when the first black players made it to MLB and NFL. 

Now ask me if I give a shit about coddling your insecurities.

That's just flat-out rudeness, Brian. You're not likely to win anyone over to your side by hurling vulgar insults.

I agree with SC's take on the whole thing. At the end of the day, it's all about the NFL's bottom line - money.
I don't know if this was covered in the national media but the local news reported after the presidential election in November that Kaepernick doesn't vote. Seems strange that he would take a public stand (or kneel) but not bother to vote.

-Teresa

[Brian37]

FUCK YOU ASSHOLE.

3rd string or practice squad, racism is racism. I am sorry he bothers you but that is your fucking baggage, not his.

I am white asshole, I don't have an NFL career and I support him. This isn't about blackmail fuckface. You are a delusional asshole and selfish and tone def if you think that is why he did what he did. 

You are displaying the same insecurity when the first black players made it to MLB and NFL. 

Now ask me if I give a shit about coddling your insecurities.

That's just flat-out rudeness, Brian. You're not likely to win anyone over to your side by hurling vulgar insults.

I agree with SC's take on the whole thing. At the end of the day, it's all about the NFL's bottom line - money.
I don't know if this was covered in the national media but the local news reported after the presidential election in November that Kaepernick doesn't vote. Seems strange that he would take a public stand (or kneel) but not bother to vote.

-Teresa

Good thing is that i am not out to win a popularity contest.

Kaepernick wasn't either. It still remains there is far too much ignorance by far too many as to why in 2017 we are having a repeat of the 60s. 

"Vulgar" is ignoring that our economy and justice system hurts minorities at a far higher rate. "Vulgar" is insisting on protecting hero worship of those who fought to keep the horrible institution of owning other human beings. Yea, I am offensive because some ideas need to be offended.

No, I am not sorry.