What does the science data say about firearms?

[Drich]

Hey, dripshit.  When someone speaks of the "sane" they are not talking to you.

If by sane you mean anti-constitutional ex-hippy nut job.... then I am happy with the title I have been given.

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Obviously I'm not sane because I'm not giving up my gun nor am I telling any other good person to give up theirs.

What I want is a harder way of getting guns.

you mean like being forced to take class, and shooting test, then a safty test and register, then back ground check that you have to pay for wait 5 days or "just" steal one from a pissed off guy who had to do all of that stuff??

wait a tick... isn't that what we do now?

[Brian37]

Hey, dripshit.  When someone speaks of the "sane" they are not talking to you.

If by sane you mean anti-constitutional ex-hippy nut job.... then I am happy with the title I have been given.

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Obviously I'm not sane because I'm not giving up my gun nor am I telling any other good person to give up theirs.

What I want is a harder way of getting guns.

you mean like being forced to take class, and shooting test, then a safty test and register, then back ground check that you have to pay for wait 5 days or "just" steal one from a pissed off guy who had to do all of that stuff??

wait a tick... isn't that what we do now?

Yea it would SUCK if someone had given the Vegas killer a psych test.

It would suck if a psych test had prevented him from buying all those firearms.


Yes you fucking idiot. If you are going to own an object that when you pull the trigger the object it propels at 75Omph yes, I do think you should be SANE and know what the fuck you are doing.

There is no rewind on a bullet DUMBFUCK.

Your bullshit is like saying, "Why cant the Germans control their own destiny?"

It is a firearm, not a video game, not a squirt gun. There are no rewinds or resets or do overs once you pull the trigger. SO YEA, I do give a fuck whom is pulling the trigger.

The problem with "I wouldn't" is morons like you make it about you. It is not about what you would not do, it is about the real data outside of you.

Your continued responses do not lend me the confidence to think you should own a firearm. "I can do what I want" is not a rights issue with firearms, the reality is, if you don't know what the fuck you are doing, and you ASSUME you get lazy, and that can get you killed. 

You may make it about rights, but the firearm you use doesn't give one fuck about any mistake you make nor is a a human lawyer. It is an object, it still requires reason to use and it is not as simple as "just because."

I'd trust Mimoony89 before I would trust you.

[Drich]

Obviously I'm not sane because I'm not giving up my gun nor am I telling any other good person to give up theirs.

What I want is a harder way of getting guns.

BINGO........

This is the fucking lie the NRA, which only has 5 million members, while there are an estimated 55 million firearm owners whom WANT something done. 

fake news number. nra membership is renewed every year. not everyone who supports or has supported the nra is an active member

I don't want all guns banned, but like you said as a gun owner, even you admit they are way too easy to get.

tell you what I'll meet you on any street in the US and we come uarmed, then when I say "Go!" the first person who can legally obtain a gun gets to shoot the other. now if the law works... you being a dirt foot hippy weed smoking stoner means you should never have access to a firearm ever. and evenif it takes me that 5 day wait.. I will still win!

It is even utter nonsense that the NRA resists smart guns.

glob... never had an iphone with finger print id? how about think back in the last 6 months let's say 1/2 the time your phone culd not read your print was a life and death situation. meaning if your phone in 1/2 of all the instances or more could not read your print you would die... now put that technology on a hammer and anvil and see if it still works every time after 1000 rounds pass through the gun.

I would think if you own one, you would not want someone stealing it and using it.

HELL NO. If I don't want someone using my gun I simply will not allow them access to it. it is not a phone. there is n amount of social pressure anyone could demonstrate that would have me turn over my fire arm.

It isn't an issue of legal or illegal, one can be mentally ill, or a spouse abuser, or bigot or religiously motivated and have no record at time of buy, and then go on to murder others after a legal buy.

Hell no
On the form/back ground check they ask have you ever been found mentally defective in any way, have you ever been ACCUSED of domestic violance, HAve you ever used an illegal substance, have you ever smoke or used pot, have you ever been commited of a hate crime. Then after you fill out all that paper work all those answers get submitted to the FBI eletronically and they check on the spot in some cases or durning that 5 day waiting period...

It's funny how a ignorant you are of the actual gun laws we have... seems like you just want what we already have on the books! well done and done. now you can stfu

But still, nobody needs an AR15

police? are they no body? did you know the AR15 shoots a .22 round??? actually it is the 223 it is .003 larger than the smallest round they make for a gun. meaning it is the second smallest bullet. Now if dude was smart he would have has a M-14 which hs a 30 round clip and shoots 30.06 rounds. those are through and through rounds. If I remember right they can go through 5 people worth of soft tissue (fat and mussle gutts ect) bones tend to redirect energy. Now could you imagine the outcry if one of these guys used a siple hunting rifle which shot 30.06 modified for high capasity, meaning for every trigger pull 5 people went down???

AR-15 were BUILT for small to medium game. AR is used by the colt manufacture of firearms to designate "Semi automatic fire." so fake new fact. AR-15 was purposely built for the civilian market in the 1960's.

The reason or befit of the AR is it's weight. it weighs 1/3 of the traditional gun and the ammo is also alot lighter.

and even the inventor's family said he never intended it for civilian use.

Eugene Stoner was the inventor and specifically made a military version and a civilian version. Your B/S is just more fake crap you douche bags use to whip yourselves up into a frenzy. Do you see how much false information you have to spread to get to the self righteousness you feel? don't you see anything wrong with that? that you have to contiually lie to yourself to feel the way you do about guns?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_AR-15

Nor does anyone need high capacity clips.

high capacity compared to what? a single shot? a 5 or 10 round 30.06? if you are comparing killing potential the 10 round 30.06 can potentially kill 50 people while the AR's 30 rounds are limited one round per person. (they dicintgrate on impact)

But no, I am NOT against gun ownership itself. I just want some fucking sane laws that reduce firearm deaths.

Read the laws we have idiot. you have not suggested anything that is not already on the books.

John, whom goes by "Rubber Ducky" in the NFL Pick Em thread grew up with firearms in Oklahoma, still has a shotgun but he stopped supporting the NRA a long time ago because he says they went way off the rails.

So???

I stopped supporting the NRA because it cost too much to get harassing letters asking for more money to defend us against people like you.

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Oh, provenance. You should have said.

I did say, but was changed by auto incorrect.

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All I know is that we have what is called Shooter's Holiday and it's a bunch of retired military and their families getting together on my inlaws' land and shooting guns.

They bring in a chuck wagon to feed everyone on top of the hill at the house and shoot down in the valley of the pecan grove. They bring my husband in with one of his work friends so they have two paramedics on hand the whole day and they enforce ear and eye protection at all times. Only one person is allowed to shoot at a time, they must call out, verify everyone is paying attention to who is shooting, and say how many rounds they are doing. They also have what I can only describe as an obstacle course where each shooter has to shoot certain things in a certain order. They keep score and have a winner at the end of the day. They do have a free shooting period but it's all in one line with guns only pointing one direction very similar to a gun range.

That being said we have every type of gun you can think of. I have destroyed 6 cinderblocks with a Beowulf, watched them shoot off a full size cannon, shot a round shot, practiced with my little 38 S&W, used guns from the 1800's and the early 1900's. I've handled an AK47 and I've had a lot of responsible fun with all these guns. Every single person (children & dogs included) held to the rules and behaved and have for the last five years my in laws have set this up. This is why responsible gun owners want the big toys.

sounds like what we do every year at knob creek:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRyaWLCU-C4

[Thumpalumpacus]

Of course things fail to operate perfectly. That doesn't mean we don't use them. Cars break down, boats spring leaks ... but just because smart-gun technology doesn't work perfectly, it should not be implemented at all?

That's some stupid reaso -- oh, wait, it's from Drich. Never mind.

[Drich]

If by sane you mean anti-constitutional ex-hippy nut job.... then I am happy with the title I have been given.

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you mean like being forced to take class, and shooting test, then a safty test and register, then back ground check that you have to pay for wait 5 days or "just" steal one from a pissed off guy who had to do all of that stuff??

wait a tick... isn't that what we do now?

Yea it would SUCK if someone had given the Vegas killer a psych test.

It would suck if a psych test had prevented him from buying all those firearms.


Yes you fucking idiot. If you are going to own an object that when you pull the trigger the object it propels at 75Omph yes, I do think you should be SANE and know what the fuck you are doing.

There is no rewind on a bullet DUMBFUCK.

Your bullshit is like saying, "Why cant the Germans control their own destiny?"

It is a firearm, not a video game, not a squirt gun. There are no rewinds or resets or do overs once you pull the trigger. SO YEA, I do give a fuck whom is pulling the trigger.

The problem with "I wouldn't" is morons like you make it about you. It is not about what you would not do, it is about the real data outside of you.

Your continued responses do not lend me the confidence to think you should own a firearm. "I can do what I want" is not a rights issue with firearms, the reality is, if you don't know what the fuck you are doing, and you ASSUME you get lazy, and that can get you killed. 

You may make it about rights, but the firearm you use doesn't give one fuck about any mistake you make nor is a a human lawyer. It is an object, it still requires reason to use and it is not as simple as "just because."

I'd trust Mimoony89 before I would trust you.

WFT are you on about?

I simply stated the ideas you purposed have already been implemented made into law, and you don't seem to know it. Mental health is indeed a qualification and one's back ground check does delve into mental health, as well as spousal abuse, drug use, pot specifically/but asks about all drugs.

You don't seem to know what laws exist, what's more scary is that because they do they did nothing to slow this guy down which makes your proposals all meaningless and us right. In that evil people will do evil thing regardless of the law.

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Of course things fail to operate perfectly. That doesn't mean we don't use them. Cars break down, boats spring leaks ... but just because smart-gun technology doesn't work perfectly, it should not be implemented at all?

That's some stupid reaso -- oh, wait, it's from Drich. Never mind.

I am not stopping anyone from buying and using a 'smart gun.' Not saying they should or should not own one. I simply am making a point that it should not be a governmental mandate to own one.

[Fake Messiah]

That being said we have every type of gun you can think of. I have destroyed 6 cinderblocks with a Beowulf, watched them shoot off a full size cannon, shot a round shot, practiced with my little 38 S&W, used guns from the 1800's and the early 1900's. I've handled an AK47 and I've had a lot of responsible fun with all these guns. Every single person (children & dogs included) held to the rules and behaved and have for the last five years my in laws have set this up. This is why responsible gun owners want the big toys.

LOL can't you find any other family activities? I mean numbers are numbers and how many thousands of people have died in US just in 2017 from gun violence?

Here's a nice article that explains how other countries dealt with this problem in this kind of situation

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/04/world/...index.html

I mean even one of the greatest American heroes, Wyatt Earp, enforced gun control in Tombstone.

But it all goes on and on as if American mentality is embodied in Kane character portrayed in the movie "Citizen Kane" - especially that scene when a reporter tells Kane, who was just caught in an adultery "If it was anybody else, I'd say what's going to happen to you would be a lesson to you. Only you're going to need more than one lesson. And you're going to get more than one lesson." -but the show must go on, right?

[Brian37]

Yea it would SUCK if someone had given the Vegas killer a psych test.

It would suck if a psych test had prevented him from buying all those firearms.


Yes you fucking idiot. If you are going to own an object that when you pull the trigger the object it propels at 75Omph yes, I do think you should be SANE and know what the fuck you are doing.

There is no rewind on a bullet DUMBFUCK.

Your bullshit is like saying, "Why cant the Germans control their own destiny?"

It is a firearm, not a video game, not a squirt gun. There are no rewinds or resets or do overs once you pull the trigger. SO YEA, I do give a fuck whom is pulling the trigger.

The problem with "I wouldn't" is morons like you make it about you. It is not about what you would not do, it is about the real data outside of you.

Your continued responses do not lend me the confidence to think you should own a firearm. "I can do what I want" is not a rights issue with firearms, the reality is, if you don't know what the fuck you are doing, and you ASSUME you get lazy, and that can get you killed. 

You may make it about rights, but the firearm you use doesn't give one fuck about any mistake you make nor is a a human lawyer. It is an object, it still requires reason to use and it is not as simple as "just because."

I'd trust Mimoony89 before I would trust you.

WFT are you on about?

I simply stated the ideas you purposed have already been implemented made into law, and you don't seem to know it. Mental health is indeed a qualification and one's back ground check does delve into mental health, as well as spousal abuse, drug use, pot specifically/but asks about all drugs.

You don't seem to know what laws exist, what's more scary is that because they do they did nothing to slow this guy down which makes your proposals all meaningless and us right. In that evil people will do evil thing regardless of the law.

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Of course things fail to operate perfectly. That doesn't mean we don't use them. Cars break down, boats spring leaks ... but just because smart-gun technology doesn't work perfectly, it should not be implemented at all?

That's some stupid reaso -- oh, wait, it's from Drich. Never mind.

I am not stopping anyone from buying and using a 'smart gun.' Not saying they should or should not own one. I simply am making a point that it should not be a governmental mandate to own one.

Holy fuck are you one stupid idiot. 

If you like your auto having GPS so that it can be recovered if stolen, why would you not want that technology in a firearm? You saying you wouldn't mind someone stealing your firearm with no way to track it to get it back?

Your car has a licence plate too, so do you feel like government is spying on you because they mandate that?

[zebo-the-fat]

In the UK the general public are not able to own firearms, in the USA they are, which system has the most mass shootings (allowing for population differences)

Hint it's not the UK

So how do publicly owned guns keep people safe??