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RE: Messin' With Atheists
November 21, 2017 at 8:04 pm
(November 21, 2017 at 8:01 pm)Cyberman Wrote: It's even worse than that. The way the mythology tells it, you've told your seven-year-old not to touch your gun; then after he disobeyed, as you knew he would, you shot him with it.
You are correct!
I blew the simple analogy. I actually made the Yahweh character seem a tiny bit less immoral than he is in the story.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Messin' With Atheists
November 21, 2017 at 8:11 pm
De nada. 
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Messin' With Atheists
November 21, 2017 at 8:54 pm
(November 21, 2017 at 7:59 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: (November 21, 2017 at 7:21 pm)Haipule Wrote: "But even if that is true, your omnipotent god could not come up with way to protect his 'chosen people' from shock from a charged capacitor? We humans have no problem with that task, why did god?"
He did have a way, He said, "Don't touch it!"
That's laughable!
Compared to your god, as the myth tells it, humans have a miniscule amount of the understanding, knowledge, forethought, etc, etc as Yahweh has. He should have known (before he even made us...omniscience, right?) that an event like the one that happened to Uzzah would happen. And poor Uzzah was just trying to protect the Ark from falling.
And why does Yahweh actually get angry? How could a being that is supposedly omniscient, get angry? Anger comes from an event not going the way one thought it would. Doesn't EVERYTHING happen according to Yahweh's plan?
"I did have a way to keep my 7 year old son from shooting himself with my gun. I told him, don't touch it". It was supposed to be funny.
God has anger, wrath, jealous wrath and Jesus once said, "depart from Me I never knew you(Greek: when did I know you?)". Well then, we'll have to rethink the 'omniscient' thingy. Biblically, God knows His sheep. Historically it appears God could care less about the goings on of goats, as long as they leave us sheep alone!
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RE: Messin' With Atheists
November 21, 2017 at 9:03 pm
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(November 21, 2017 at 8:54 pm)Haipule Wrote: (November 21, 2017 at 7:59 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: That's laughable!
Compared to your god, as the myth tells it, humans have a miniscule amount of the understanding, knowledge, forethought, etc, etc as Yahweh has. He should have known (before he even made us...omniscience, right?) that an event like the one that happened to Uzzah would happen. And poor Uzzah was just trying to protect the Ark from falling.
And why does Yahweh actually get angry? How could a being that is supposedly omniscient, get angry? Anger comes from an event not going the way one thought it would. Doesn't EVERYTHING happen according to Yahweh's plan?
"I did have a way to keep my 7 year old son from shooting himself with my gun. I told him, don't touch it". It was supposed to be funny.
Well, your entire religion would be funny, if so many people did not take it so seriously. And believe it is true.
Quote:God has anger, wrath, jealous wrath and Jesus once said, "depart from Me I never knew you(Greek: when did I know you?)".
Yes, exactly the same emotions and behavior that the people who invented him had. What a coincidence, huh...
Quote:Well then, we'll have to rethink the 'omniscient' thingy. Biblically, God knows His sheep. Historically it appears God could care less about the goings on of goats, as long as they leave us sheep alone!
Yeah, some so called "sophisticate theists" have tried to explain away logical contradictions of a single being having the omni attributes associated to him. The best they can do is say, that he is maximally great, that is allowable by logic or god's nature.
Yeah, very convincing.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Messin' With Atheists
November 21, 2017 at 9:08 pm
(November 21, 2017 at 5:57 pm)Cyberman Wrote: ![[Image: ?url=i160.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft18...Needed.jpg]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=i160.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft187%2FSteambum%2FAF%2520Memes%2FCitationNeeded.jpg) Ancient Aliens And what ever I can remember from High School electronics class.
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RE: Messin' With Atheists
November 21, 2017 at 9:10 pm
Where does it mention any of those things in the passage I cited?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Messin' With Atheists
November 21, 2017 at 9:26 pm
(November 21, 2017 at 9:03 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: (November 21, 2017 at 8:54 pm)Haipule Wrote: It was supposed to be funny.
Well, your entire religion would be funny, if so many people did not take it so seriously. And believe it is true.
Quote:God has anger, wrath, jealous wrath and Jesus once said, "depart from Me I never knew you(Greek: when did I know you?)".
Yes, exactly the same emotions and behavior that the people who invented him had. What a coincidence, huh...
Quote:Well then, we'll have to rethink the 'omniscient' thingy. Biblically, God knows His sheep. Historically it appears God could care less about the goings on of goats, as long as they leave us sheep alone!
Yeah, some so called "sophisticate theists" have tried to explain away logical contradictions of a single being having the omni attributes associated to him. The best they can do is say, that he is maximally great, that is allowable by logic or god's nature.
Yeah, very convincing. Yes, they give God all these high minded attributes, including the Omni's, and call it "The ESSENSE of GOD". Then give rationales for life based on their own invention of God's essence: omniscience, omnipotent, omnipresent, justice, righteousness, love, immutably, veracity, eternal life, sovereignty. But honestly, it won't work! The bible was for the literate and illiterate and not for the "sophisticate theists".
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RE: Messin' With Atheists
November 21, 2017 at 9:43 pm
I nominate this thread as being the worst thread in the history of the intertwebs.
It's amazing 'science' always seems to 'find' whatever it is funded for, and never the oppsite. Drich.
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